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shiznit 08-28-2009 07:23 AM

The reserves at FDX get a guar. of 96% of the lineholder average for their seat that month. It is similar to the -5 method.

acl65pilot 08-28-2009 07:25 AM

Yes, I like that idea. I have been thinking about it for a few weeks, and it is one that I think has a decent change of working it way to the top!

satchip 08-28-2009 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 669328)
IMO the pilots here have seen what big raises and letting go of scope does. They gave away a ton of flying, and got their pay taken back a few years later. Yes, they want what they lost, but many realize that the next step up in seat scope limitations is with out a question of a doubt giving away everything below a 757. We give them a 100 seat jet and all of the 88/90/9/7377 etc are gone. They will find a way to make it so.
That cliff is just to steep and the drop too far to even contemplate.
OTOH I do not see guys willing to give up a ton of pay for nominal scope gains.

There is a group of people who have lost their DB and don't have enough time to make enough with the DC to retire at their chosen standard of living. I think that group would sell 100 seats to ensure their own post Delta lifestyle. Remember that LCA I talked about a few weeks (and 100 pages) ago? The question is where do our negotiators sit in regards to that demographic? I once had an old airline pilot tell me that the best place to be on any seniority list is right next to the MEC/Negotiating Committee. :rolleyes:

I am not a hater but the more bottom end scope is ignored by our union, the more frightened I get.

shiznit 08-28-2009 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 669327)
I think we're on to something fellas... now if we can just get DALPA on board.....


The future LEC reps are coming, now if we can only get NC members who won't try to go against the membership's wishes......

Oh yeah, and we have to find a way to convince management to go along.....

acl65pilot 08-28-2009 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 669336)
There is a group of people who have lost their DB and don't have enough time to make enough with the DC to retire at their chosen standard of living. I think that group would sell 100 seats to ensure their own post Delta lifestyle. Remember that LCA I talked about a few weeks (and 100 pages) ago? The question is where do our negotiators sit in regards to that demographic? I once had an old airline pilot tell me that the best place to be on any seniority list is right next to the MEC/Negotiating Committee. :rolleyes:

I am not a hater but the more bottom end scope is ignored by our union, the more frightened I get.

That is why when the nominations come around put guys names on the ballot that you know have a keen eye to all issues, and come hell or high water they will not see your job.

tsquare 08-28-2009 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 669333)
The reserves at FDX get a guar. of 96% of the lineholder average for their seat that month. It is similar to the -5 method.

Oh yeah:) I like that one.

acl65pilot 08-28-2009 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 669339)
The future LEC reps are coming, now if we can only get NC members who won't try to go against the membership's wishes......

Oh yeah, and we have to find a way to convince management to go along.....

The CNC works for the MEC. The MEC Should work for the LEC's who work for the pilots.

We need to make sure that the desires of the group are succinct and to the point. We need to educate the membership on the costs of outsourcing. Not just here and there, but an end to end presentation on what it has done, how it has destroyed out base etc.
I agree that there are pilots that will do anything for a raise, the fact is that, that number is probably under 15%. If effect outnumbered.

Dash8widget 08-28-2009 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 669326)
And TS, with a 5:15 credit for SC you would get 31.5 hrs of pay for the month. With three hrs you would get 18. I have gotten to ALV three times this summer with out this. If I had gotten credit for my SC's I would have had either A) More time off, or B) a better paycheck.
Also, how about this. SC credit does not go towards ALV max, but only towards pay. IE, scheduling can still make you fly trip credits to ALV, and if they do the SC credit goes above it. If not you get credit for the SC credit if it puts you over your guarantee. That way it does not hurt the company unless the reserves are used.

ACL, good stuff! I also like the ALV-5/70 min reserve guarantee. Add to this some rules on assigning short calls, and I think these would be some great improvements.

I don't think that the schedulers should be limited in the number of short calls they can schedule on a given day but there do need to be rules on the order in which SC's assigned. Also, there needs to be a way to preference the SC period desired (ie. AM or PM) without actually volunteering for SC.

Other wish list items: A longer long call time, like 14 hours or so (this is also borrowed from our friends in blue) just to make it a little more commuter friendly. Also, the 24 hour SC for international is ridiculous - if they really "need" a SC available for that entire time, then have that 24 hour period count as TWO SC periods for the month.

acl65pilot 08-28-2009 07:42 AM

That is one thing that I would like to see too. I would like the LC window increased to 14-15 hrs after the hr of 1700. That allows for guys to get a trip in the AM and have the ability to commute in for it. The time of day that gets you nailed is late afternoon and early evening. If we could find a way to allow this preference, and or waive it for in base guys, it would also be a big improvement. Kind of like reducing your raw. If you commuted in and need to get out of the crash pad you could wave your LC of 12-15 hrs (depending on time of day) to a min of nine to get the FAA required rest.

Fly4hire 08-28-2009 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 669243)
Also, of the 142 slots swaped with USAIR in LGA, aprox 30 will be mainline and aprox 110 will be DCI.

What is your source that says 110 will be DCI slots? Is this speculation or do you have something to back this up with?

If you are referring to the nature of the commuter slots those were redefined as part of the deal to allow for larger gauge equipment

Also consider with the pull down of DCI flying elsewhere that any assets that do go to LGA will have to be back filled with mainline flying. 50 seaters are not coming back :)


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