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Originally Posted by satchip (Post 669266)

Hey DET 320 guys, in the practice bid package there was a daily rotation that RONd in SAT. In your roster report there was only one trip in the whole table. Do you guys ron in SAT? If not, what north crews ron there?

Found a couple rotations for DTW and MSP operate only a few days a month with 14:21 layovers.
Found one rotation for MEM. 31hrs in SAT, 3day operates almost every day of SEP.

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Originally Posted by beer (Post 669450)

ACL, Are you running for Lec Rep? I've been away from the boards for a while and didn't know if I missed the announcement. I'll need your name!! You got my vote. In fact..if you aren't on the ballot, I'm just gonna write in ACL65..Will that work?;)

Beer Check you PM's

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Originally Posted by satchip (Post 669336)

There is a group of people who have lost their DB and don't have enough time to make enough with the DC to retire at their chosen standard of living. I think that group would sell 100 seats to ensure their own post Delta lifestyle. Remember that LCA I talked about a few weeks (and 100 pages) ago? The question is where do our negotiators sit in regards to that demographic? I once had an old airline pilot tell me that the best place to be on any seniority list is right next to the MEC/Negotiating Committee. :rolleyes:

I am not a hater but the more bottom end scope is ignored by our union, the more frightened I get.

Perhaps they would, but it is likely that they could not garner enough from "selling" the 100 seaters to make up for what they lost. For some, that is a deep hold to dig. The MEC elects the NC. You elect your base reps which make up the MEC, then provide them input. They are an important part of the process, so make your vote count.

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Originally Posted by Fly4hire (Post 669455)

They can feed it with mainline ;)

Yep that is the point.

Mainline is not a size of aircraft, but a quality of service. Mainline can be anything we want it to be. We could fly 1900's if we wanted to. I am sure someone would love to start on the bottom of our list making 30 bucks an hr in that aircraft.

It is all in the way it is sold. Quit thinking mainline equals big jets. That is what got us in to this mess.

There are some pretty good tidbit's of information regarding some of the asset trades we've been trying to work lately located on the DALPA Forum under hanger talk---> JFK Roadshow notes.

Didn't want to cut and paste someone else post, but it's a pretty good read and worth logging in for.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 669309)

Very valid points. And I think that ACL is correct too in identifying this same problem. The 54 thousand dollar question is: How do we fix this? I think the fortunate thing and it happens to come at a time when we are combining two different groups and cultures is that the old "Don't worry son.. you'll be senior some day" attitude so prevalent in past years at DAL are gone... hopefully. I almost wouldn't mind leaving the guarantee at 70 hours.. and getting a 3 hour credit for each SC.. or something like that.. 5 would be nice, but I can't imagine the company buying off on that. I think the result would be that SC reserves would actually get used.. what a concept.

So... about this think tank....

I wish I had put that in my letter. It's always been one my favorite things to rag upon. "You'll be senior someday". It rolls off of the tongue smoothly enough. I think that BK might have done something to kick that in the groin a bit. Additionally, when you move up in equipment, most often you take a hit on relative seniority within your equipment. There are plenty of 777 pilots who are X--and I mean Xtremely senior on the list yet are junior 777 captains. Excellent point.

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Originally Posted by brakechatter (Post 669470)

Quite true. A lot of out guys missed the ax in CH11 too. They just moved from the right to the left seat of the 767 and made about the same pay. I fly with a lot of these guys and they really are indifferent to the whole thing.

A lot see what scope did though, and that is huge.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 669377)

Fact is that relaxing scope would have not worked the last time, so it would not work again.

Also, if you look at our pay, it is not that much different than the likes of RJET.

I am all for taking back flying. The rates are not that far apart, and if anyone has a economics or business background they would realize that the costs over a longer term will be cheaper at DAL.
Why?
It is a junior jet and the longevity range that would be flying it will continually be lower than that of a RJET. You may get more 320's etc, but the fact is that the 100 seater (190) is the top end and more than likely will remain that way. That means that you rates will continue to climb. Cost per block hr will go up, whereas, at DAL looking forward with retirements etc, the average pilot will be at the company less than 8 years sitting in the left seat. Not now, but in three to five years.

If you look at it from a cost standpoint and extrapolate it out over a 10-15 year life cycle span of the aircraft DAL will win hands down. Heck late in to the next the next decade they will probably be hiring in to the left seat as we retire 800+ a year.

I am completely on your side with regard to this, but don't know if you logic is sound with regard to the economics. That is one of the reasons for having our guys look at it with our numbers. Pay rates are one thing, but rjet does not have our DC, our work rules, etc. I think that where it would pay off is in other less tangible areas. Customer service being one, and a larger one than I think most people consider. Additionally, having several sizes of the same jet brings about the SWA effect. The company can truly right size the aircraft to the flight on a daily basis. I agree with you though, that we are more competitive on these jets from a TOTAL cost perspective than the company would lead us to believe via their economic analysis.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 669466)

Well until we get smaller aircraft like the 190 at DAL, with DAL seniority list pilots flying them, it most certainly does equal Big Jets.

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 669443)

Our instructors already did fly the line.

I'm sure they did, that isn't what I am refering to. I am saying that most of the DALN instructors are just that...dedicated instructors that don't fly the line. When SOC or shortly there after occurs there will no longer be dedicated pilot instructors as it will be the set up DALS has. Retired guys and contract company (DGS) that does 90% of the instruction and sims.