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07-03-2013 | 01:54 PM

#134201

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by FlyZ

Crew Resources update looks like more of the same. Contract 2012: if you let us have more big RJs, we'll buy some small planes, park some bigger ones, and displace a bunch of you to fly them. Please sign here...

ALPA: Gladly...can we borrow your pen?

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Originally Posted by daldude

Yes I saw that also, more displacements off of the 75/76 in August. That is literally crushing the JR FO's

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Originally Posted by daldude

The summer of 2014 will see 10 less 757 aircraft in service, compared to summer 2013. As a result, we may surplus 7ER pilots on the next bid, particularly on the First Officer side.

If the next Displacement is anything like the June AE, over 40% of the FO's on the SLC737 will be displaced in two bids. That is truly amazing considering all the positive hype that people seem to be talking about.

Sorry, just venting, but you will have guys that were #60 of 100 in may getting displaced.

The people providing the positive hype stopped posting here last month. This is a sad but important lesson for us. I believe everyone here had strong misgivings and worries about the TA prior to signing. DALPA knew it. That administration saw it as their duty to get you to temporarily suspend your gut instincts and believe them. It worked. Many of us were screaming that we were being lied to and spun by that DALPA administration. Others here said folks like me were the liars.

The lesson here is never forgetting who was doing the lying and spinning.

Carl

07-03-2013 | 02:00 PM

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hockeypilot44

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

I agree with you. From the day the first negotiator's notepad came out, I was furious and disgusted. I never felt good about our TA. I was a hell no vote. I'm convinced now that I am a permanent no vote for every TA I ever vote for. After it was voted in, I had some feelings that maybe 62 percent of us are right and I am unreasonable. Now that I've been under this contract for a year, I am angry that my fellow pilots voted this in.

07-03-2013 | 02:25 PM

#134203

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

I don't think you should allow yourself to feel that way hockey. Some of your fellow pilots truly felt this contract was a great deal, and they still feel that way. You can't be angry at them for that opinion. Other fellow pilots had big misgivings, but felt they had to trust the MEC administration. Most of those pilots now realize they were flat out lied to. You can't be angry with those pilots either because it was not unreasonable for them to trust their union leadership. My goal now is to simply remind everyone that nothing can or should replace your own logical mind and gut instincts. And never forget who it was that lied to you.

Carl

07-03-2013 | 03:30 PM

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Stickman964

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Originally Posted by daldude

Yes I saw that also, more displacements off of the 75/76 in August. That is literally crushing the JR FO's

And now in the August update we also get this regarding MD88 staffing....

In order to most efficiently utilize our staffing, we will be pairing MSP Captains with NYC First Officers. For most NYC First Officer only rotations in August the NYC First Officers will begin and end their rotation with a deadhead to and from MSP. Most MSP Captain only rotations will begin and end in MSP.

Sure glad I'm getting displaced from MSP to NYC along with several other JR FO's in AUG. I don't know whether to laugh or cry....

Last edited by Stickman964; 07-03-2013 at 03:40 PM.