I take it you (in no particular order):
- Feel Delta has provided us the tools/culture/guidance that enables us to proficiently hand fly with the ATs and FDs off
- Feel the "good faith" sick call provision as currently written (and enforced) is adequate

 

Look dude, your emotions are making you look silly. The data belongs to the American people. As soon as this data is compiled, a simple FOIA (Freedom Of Information Act) request would have mandated by law that NTSB release it. The only thing legally protected from release is the actual crew members' voices on the CVR. Your argument isn't with me or with the NTSB, it's with the law.

Another emotional tantrum. Due process is only for a criminal proceeding. There is no due process in the crash investigation process. How can you say I'm willing to give up due process when there is none in crash investigations?

I've never once said I hate ALPA. Not once. It's this type of hyperventilating that makes you look incapable of debate. Call someone a hater, and maybe you can get people to ignore everything the person said. It's an old and weak tactic. I could have said you hate freedom of speech and the publics right to know what their tax dollars are paying for...but then I'd sound as silly as you.

It doesn't matter what I see. The law allows it and the chairwoman sees her first duty as informing the American people. Write your congressman and pass new laws if you don't like it...that's also your right.

Unfortunately, that's been used as "code words" for delaying the release of known information until the public no longer remembers the accident. Again, the chairwoman disagrees with you and ALPA.

How do you know there wasn't? If the crew reported it, she's releasing it...immediately upon gathering the data. That's her pattern. You and the other over emotionals at ALPA need to get with the program and understand that things change. ALPA's just shocked that she doesn't give a crap what ALPA thinks.

Again, you don't know what your talking about. Incomplete details of murder investigations are released to the public all the time in the hope of engaging the public to help catch the bad guy.

Seriously man, your points are some of the silliest I've read in a while. You don't understand the NTSB's mandate, you don't understand the law, and you don't understand even basic politics.

Carl

 

Yes and yes but then I don't wear a tin foil hat and imagine black heliocopters buzzing my house. You are still my most unimportant person, keep up the good work.

 

Ditto. Those hats get quite itchy after a while...

 

That's exactly right. From the raw data that's been released thus far, I've learned that even a heavily experienced but fatigued crew is capable of not monitoring airspeed until stick shaker activation. If it could happen to them, it could happen to me. When the raw data of actual engaged modes of the flight guidance system is released, that will tell me more of what I was capable of doing wrong given the right circumstances. How can knowing this now be a bad thing for me and every airline pilot out there? I'd like to know and chew on this now...not 12 months from now. Not out of morbid curiosity, but to improve myself.

Carl

 

It's not interesting because it's not a fact. ICAO can't mandate anything.

Since your hypersensitivity started when ALPA embarrassed themselves by releasing that slam against the NTSB, I can only assume you're getting a lot of your "facts" from ALPA. Maybe you guys should wait and gather all your facts in context before you speak publicly anymore.

Carl

 

Carl, you only have two sides. Carl the bully and Carl the victim. You come on here after I say I agree with something someone said and you just tell me I'm wrong. No proof - no evidence just Carl saying wrong wrong wrong. You are the tantrum king here. Due Process is applicable government agencies and non-legal hearings. I linked a publication from my law school classes. Take a look at it. You might be surprised to find out that case law evolves unlike you. I said I didn't like some of the ways the NTSB was putting data out and you went all "whiny ALPA wah wah wah silly pilot wah wah wah you don't understand how the government works, I'm big mean Carl, let me get my boyfriend Purple to stank on you." You can't bully your way through life but I guess at this stage you already have. You can't even have a simple conversation without jumping off the deep end with the hyperbole. I am allowed my opinion. You can not tell me I'm wrong just because you decree it so. You want smaller words that are more concise that you can comprehend? I don't like the NTSB Tweeting crash data. Go sh18 on someone else. I'm not changing my opinion because the bully came out and said he's smarter and older. I said I want the safety information so we can learn and you ignored that and every other thing I said in agreeing with the investigation. Either learn to converse like a man or go back under your cranky bridge. This act where you have to be right and no one else can discuss things because you are right all the time is why this thread has declined to nothing but ALPA bashing. Can't even have a simple discussion about whether real-time or near real-time crash information is good or bad. I supposse when they ask for cameras in the cockpit again because of this crash that will be okay too, in the interest of safety and your crush on the NTSB? Looking for a post-airline job perhaps? You needn't bother with a response because we all know you'll just attack the messenger because you don't know any other way and then you'll bash ALPA and then you'll say how great the DPA is and that they would have issued a wonderful statement endorsing the NTSB and their fresh way of telling the world what happened. Even it it doesn't...

 

Already answered that 'Mr Attack the Messenger and I'll say your an ALPA guy because that will destroy your credibility because I'm Carl and I'm mean." It is an ICAO mandate not mandated by ICAO. I said I got the mandate in the wrong place already. I'm not embarrassed by anything. I simply agreed with a statement that we shouldn't rush to judgment. You seem to think that's BS but seem to support the same opinion so it's just ALPA hate ALPA hate. I'm Carl hear me whine about ALPA so people will listen to the rest of the words I have to say...

 

Absolutely. I disconnect the ATs NLT 1000 ft AGL on every approach that doesn't require them. FD comes off at least once a trip. And I have no fear of calling in sick. Because when I'm sick I have nothing to hide.

 

Wow. All that hyperbole in one post!

Here was my favorite part though:

Gotta love it.

Carl