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That reminds me of my initial AR check ride at Altus back in the day. We had to stay on the boom for 10 mins with the tanker's autopilot on and 5 minutes autopilot off (I think that was it). Before I took off, I called the tanker unit and spoke to the AC. He told me he'd make it smooth. He was impeccable. I called him back after the ride to thank him and he told me he just left the autopilot on the whole time. Best check I ever had in the USAF.
Was that you Timbo??
Was that you Timbo??

One guy told us it was his check ride and asked if we could do some autopilot off with S turns, so I asked how much bank?
He said "What ever you want..."
So I did 45 bank each way, twice.
I figured if he fell off he could blame me. I was getting a check ride too, so I had to work hard and be smooth.To his credit, he stayed on the boom the whole time, our boom was telling me he was doing great. He did give us an Attaboy on the way out, said it was some of the smoothest AP off he'd ever seen. His IP even asked, "You sure the AP was off?" It was, only because I had to for my check ride.
The scariest was when the C5's came in fast, the bow wave would lift our tail up and you had to be ready for it or else you'd dive down into them.
And on the way out, the opposite would happen, ie. you'd go nose up. We always preferred to hand fly those because if they came in too fast, the autopilot couldn't keep up and it would kick off, then you'd really have your hands full, all of a sudden. It was easier to just hand fly and trim it yourself.
We had this on the C-9 in the Navy a few times (No autopilot) but one time stands out as particularly fun. I was flying as the aircraft Commander and knowing my limitations (a man has got to know his limitations) we asked for, and received, a block altitude for most of the time at cruise. We were flying transcon, San Diego to Norfolk, or perhaps Jacksonville so it was going to be quite tedious.
The other Pilot, also an aircraft commander but flying as a co-pilot that day, was your typical **** hot fighter pilot type, who was generally a better stick and rudder man than myself - so naturally I couldn't pass up this opportunity to humble him a few notches.
We decided to take turns to break up the monotony of hand flying. Unbeknownst to my fellow aviator, I called back to the crew and hatched a devious plan.

When ever I was flying everyone would remain seated but when my partner was flying the crew would alternatively move all the way forward wait a few minutes and then move all the way back. We flew with the cockpit door open and our crew chief would pop up see who was flying and then take charge in the back.
It worked like a charm - I was able to trim the aircraft relatively stable, but my buddy was all over the sky. He actually started sweating and was worried he was losing "it."

After over an hour of this we finally broke down and told him what was going on - the look on his face was priceless!

Scoop
The other Pilot, also an aircraft commander but flying as a co-pilot that day, was your typical **** hot fighter pilot type, who was generally a better stick and rudder man than myself - so naturally I couldn't pass up this opportunity to humble him a few notches.
We decided to take turns to break up the monotony of hand flying. Unbeknownst to my fellow aviator, I called back to the crew and hatched a devious plan.

When ever I was flying everyone would remain seated but when my partner was flying the crew would alternatively move all the way forward wait a few minutes and then move all the way back. We flew with the cockpit door open and our crew chief would pop up see who was flying and then take charge in the back.
It worked like a charm - I was able to trim the aircraft relatively stable, but my buddy was all over the sky. He actually started sweating and was worried he was losing "it."

After over an hour of this we finally broke down and told him what was going on - the look on his face was priceless!

Scoop
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The "Trick" is to keep the boat up on the foils all the way through the gybe, to keep their speed up.
Perhaps you should show us what YOU know about the history of scope. I know what Delta pilots are doing to attempt to reclaim flying.
Now what is United doing to restore the profession? Unfortunately the United pilot group couldn't match current Delta pilot scope protections, nor exceed Delta rates on the same or comparable equipment.
Now what is United doing to restore the profession? Unfortunately the United pilot group couldn't match current Delta pilot scope protections, nor exceed Delta rates on the same or comparable equipment.

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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Source: Airbus & one of their employees' blog
Ever wondered what these things cost?
A330-200: 800K$/mo
A330-300: 900k$/mo
787-8: 1.1M$/mo
787-9: 1.25M$/mo
From the same blog post, the writer lists these discounts in 2012. He commented that Southwest and Delta got the largest discounts.

Won't post the article, in French, but this graphic shows the current state of the industry's sales discounts.

The 787 is priced very competitively for what it does. When the problems are sorted and South Carolina's factory is actually producing aircraft, then we'll be seeing an awful lot of them. The -900 sure looks about perfect for a lot of what we want to fly.
Looking at this graphic, it appears getting any 777's would be a long shot given the A330's pricing (if we acquire new ac).
Ever wondered what these things cost?
A330-200: 800K$/mo
A330-300: 900k$/mo
787-8: 1.1M$/mo
787-9: 1.25M$/mo
From the same blog post, the writer lists these discounts in 2012. He commented that Southwest and Delta got the largest discounts.

Won't post the article, in French, but this graphic shows the current state of the industry's sales discounts.

The 787 is priced very competitively for what it does. When the problems are sorted and South Carolina's factory is actually producing aircraft, then we'll be seeing an awful lot of them. The -900 sure looks about perfect for a lot of what we want to fly.
Looking at this graphic, it appears getting any 777's would be a long shot given the A330's pricing (if we acquire new ac).
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Still, Boeing's having a very hard time getting these airplanes shipped.

Many are so non conforming that they've been taken out of the production process and dare I say, abandoned.

Many are so non conforming that they've been taken out of the production process and dare I say, abandoned.
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