Did it change your vote on the TA?

Let's not forget that either.

 

Any info on what the base/acft assignments were today? This was my favorite thing to look forward to back in '07/'08.

 

Here's your pop quiz for the night. Good luck!

Your flight is scheduled in at 2230 local time. You block in exactly on schedule at 2230. Your flight duty period (for FAR purposes) ends at 2230. Departure time for tomorrow's flight is 0930... so report time the next morning is 0830. You are scheduled for the minimum 10 hour layover under FAR 117.

You landed in a major snow storm. They had just finally cleared the runway and opened the airport back up. You were the first aircraft to land in many hours. Road traffic in the local area is very slow going and it takes the van a long time to get to the airport to pick you up. Normally, it's a 20 minute drive but you end up waiting 45 minutes (from block in) for the van. It's now 2315. Because of the road conditions and traffic, it takes another 45 minutes to get to the hotel. You get to the hotel at 0000 (midnight). By the time you get checked in and actually get to the room, it is now 0010. Normal pick up time for your flight the next morning is scheduled for 0810. Based on that time, you would have 8 hours "behind the door."

Question: Are you legal for pick up at 0810?
(If yes, why? If no, why not?)

Selected reference material:

FAR 117.25, (e) and (f):

(e) No certificate holder may schedule and no flightcrew member may accept an assignment for any reserve or flight duty period unless the flightcrew member is given a rest period of at least 10 consecutive hours immediately before beginning the reserve or flight duty period measured from the time the flightcrew member is released from duty. The 10 hour rest period must provide the flightcrew member with a minimum of 8 uninterrupted hours of sleep opportunity.

(f) If a flightcrew member determines that a rest period under paragraph (e) of this section will not provide eight uninterrupted hours of sleep opportunity, the flightcrew member must notify the certificate holder. The flightcrew member cannot report for the assigned flight duty period until he or she receives a rest period specified in paragraph (e) of this section.


The FAA's "clarification" on this:



Sleep Opportunity

1. Definition of Sleep Opportunity: APA asked the FAA to define ‘‘uninterrupted sleep opportunity.’’ APA also asked whether the sleep opportunity has to take place at a specific location, such as the flightcrew member’s home. Subsection 117.25(e) requires a certificate holder to provide a flightcrew member with 10 hours of rest that includes an 8-hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity immediately before the flightcrew member begins a reserve or FDP. Subsection 117.25(f) requires the flightcrew member to notify the certificate holder if he or she determines that his/her rest period will not provide an 8-hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity.

A sleep opportunity generally commences once a flightcrew member is at a location where the flightcrew member can reasonably be expected to go to sleep and not have that sleep interrupted. The sleep opportunity does not need to take place at the flightcrew member’s home, but it must take place at a location where the flightcrew member can reasonably expect to obtain 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep. In addition, as the FAA pointed out in the preamble to final rule, specific sleep situations ‘‘are difficult to capture in a regulatory standard.’’ That is why 117.25(f) requires the flightcrew member to notify the certificate holder if the flightcrew member determines that he or she cannot get the requisite amount of uninterrupted sleep.

 

Hey guys how backed up on IOE is the 717?

 

Apparently, it is. About eight hours after I signed up, I received my full Travel Expense Report. Exactly what I'm used to getting from FlightLine, but in about 1/10 of the time.

I'm sold.

 

SD is management. Not a DALPA representative. PD's claim was a DALPA sales job based on promise of immediate hiring.

 

My guess:

No, you are not legal for an 0810 pickup.

Reasoning: Although you have 8 hours behind the door, that's not what the rules say anymore. It says you must have eight hours of uninterrupted sleep opportunity. Unless you are a magician, don't plan to pee, shower, eat or change you clothes, you are not going to get 8 hour of sleep opportunity when you have 8 hours behind the door. You realistically need 9 or 9:30.

 

You would not be. In the above scenario you have not had an opportunity for 8 hours uninterrupted sleep. I take their clarification to mean the location for the sleep opportunity can't be the hotel van, lobby, elevator, shower or hotel van the next morning. That leaves the time you are tucked into bed getting your 8 hours of sleep. Think of it in terms of block time - brakes released when your head hits the pillow and chocks in 8 hours later. If you short yourself you are technically in violation, and a good litigator would tease that thread out if you are involved in an accident the next day.

 

It's catching up. Friends of mine were waiting 2-3 months though. One finished at the beginning of Oct and went through IOE at the end of Dec. BTW, welcome.

 

No. You are not legal. You would need to call the crew tracker and give them the new report time.

Q-71. When does a sleep opportunity begin so the 8 hours can be determined?

A-71. A sleep opportunity generally commences once a flightcrew member is at a location where the flightcrew member can reasonably be expected to go to sleep and not have that sleep interrupted, such as a hotel.

Q-72. What should the flightcrew member do if he/she determines that an 8-hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity can't be achieved for some reason, such as delayed van rides, inability to get a room key, etc.?

A-72. The flightcrew member should advise the certificate holder as soon as possible of the need to delay the next FDP reporting time to allow for an 8-hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity.

In addition, the more restrictive release time would be per the PWA & therefore your true release time would be 2300 LCL, not 2230 LCL.