Since this statement applies to you and the flying you do too, I guess you really have no argument when, (and if,) we convince the bean counters to transfer the flying back to the mainline.

The difference between these carriers and DCI vs Mainline is that the above carriers all operate the same class/type aircraft and engage in the same type of flying. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, they were also owned by the same holding company in each example.

Using this argument to force the merger between separately owned companies and/or companies doing dissimilar flying won't work.

What is good with all of this is that there are many that want change. Lets not worry about the minutia and worry about making a commitment to do it. Once we get the commitment from the rank and file we can then start to work on all of the details.

Isn't that what Obama said? "Change" isn't always better...

Can Delta-S guy access A320 manuals on the website anywhere from home computers?

I understand there is a way to get into NWA links from crew room computers, but I am in the middle of 17 days off.

Thanks

True, but this type of change is good. People are getting educated on the subjects that effect them. That kind of change is good. An Educated group is an informed group. An informed group makes better decisions.

Heyas ACL,

Right you are.

Strangely, everyone seems to like to point out the epic fail the 787 program has become. Why? Well, everyone seems to think that "see, that's what you get when you outsource".

In this case, Boeing outsourcing "core competencies"...IE, outsourcing what they themselves do best. Along with that is the loss of job opportunities at Boeing, which, no doubt, pay well and have good bennies.

If the current employees and Boeing sat down and said "Hey, lets all get together, and work out a deal where we can bring everything in house. The company gets a better (and perhaps a more timely) airplane and a better process, and the employees win by getting more people employed".

Most of us on forum would probably cheer this decision, and say something to the effect of "about f'in time".

The ONLY people not cheering, would be the owners of the outsourcing contractors, and perhaps their upper management, who would shortly be taking it in the shorts because their business just went "poof". The employees, the guys doing the work, would probably be OK, since they have actual job skills that are transferable.

So here we have virtually the same situation. DAL WANTS to bring back flying in house, because DCI is not good for "the brand". It's only going to take another Rochester to force the government to do something, and that's something the airlines certainly don't want.

But we have a couple of "middle management" types from the outsourcing contractors here. They see their comfy sinecure potentially disappearing, and it's got them worried. They've made little or no effort to have a plan B, and so if Initech goes bust, they might be SOL because Intertrode doesn't have a need for people with "people skills".

Nu

Heyas Life,

Probably not. The manuals are on the N side flight ops site, and you have to go through ATLAS or RADAR to get there.

Best thing to do is call a northside buddy who can download the PDF. Alternatively, you can go to the Stopover Stores, which I believe also have them on CD (you'll need to show an ID to purchase them).

You MIGHT call the 1-800 number for the N side training center, and follow the prompts for publications. We had the options to receive our manuals on CD (instead of paper revisions) for our AOM vols 1 and 2, and they might have some spares laying around. Even if you weren't on a specific airplane, you could always call them, and if they had spares, they'd send them out for a fee.

Hope this helps...

Nu

Could not agree more! That Joe and John guy are just trying to find ways to justify there reason for not leaving their regional. To each their own I guess.

Not them specifically, but some want to be able to come over here with longevity and benefits attached. That may happen, but the "IF" needs to be answered first. Then we will worry about the "HOW".

Kind of like the chicken or the egg.