Originally Posted by NuGuy

They've made little or no effort to have a plan B, and so if Initech goes bust, they might be SOL because Intertrode doesn't have a need for people with "people skills".

Nu

Originally Posted by NuGuy

Heyas Life,

Probably not. The manuals are on the N side flight ops site, and you have to go through ATLAS or RADAR to get there.

Best thing to do is call a northside buddy who can download the PDF. Alternatively, you can go to the Stopover Stores, which I believe also have them on CD (you'll need to show an ID to purchase them).

You MIGHT call the 1-800 number for the N side training center, and follow the prompts for publications. We had the options to receive our manuals on CD (instead of paper revisions) for our AOM vols 1 and 2, and they might have some spares laying around. Even if you weren't on a specific airplane, you could always call them, and if they had spares, they'd send them out for a fee.

Hope this helps...

Nu

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Satchip... Alabama vs. VaTech at the Georgia Dome on Saturday night at 8pm... but you know what else is going on in Atlanta from Friday-Monday!? DRAGONCON!

Let me tell you I was doing a JFK ER trip last year during dragoncon and we stayed at the marriot on a relatively short overnight. My wife came down to meet me at the hotel but neither of us knew the Marriot was hosting a part of this festival of "characters", albeit very kind "characters". I knew something wasn't right when a fairy walked in front of the van. My Captain and I were stunned with what we saw in the lobby. Two amazon chicks thought we'd dressed up as airline pilots then their friend said, no I think they're real. Seriously, I'm 6'5" and I was looking them eye to eye. It was easy to find my wife though, she was one of the few females.

Originally Posted by satchip

The first time I stayed at the Marriott on a rotation there was a home based sex toy business convention going on. I can only imagine the costumes that were worn in the private rooms. I hid in mine.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

It might be easier in this discussion if we start from a base of what we agree on. I would submit that these are points that maybe we can agree on, correct me if I am wrong:

1. Delta pilots have a contractual right to control all flying done under the DL code. Whether we "own" it or not is just semantics. We negotiated for that right so we can exercise that right.

2. The current whipsaw with 485,000 different DCI carriers is not serving Delta well and is not serving the pilots well, at any carrier. The DCI pilots are being thrown around like pawns as management teams try to undercut each other. This whipsaw has negative implications for pilots at mainline too. For Delta, this race to the bottom is not providing the service that a top tier airline should deliver.

3. Each pilot at each carrier makes decisions that are right for his circumstances in life. What is right for Pilot A is not right for Pilot B and so on. It makes little sense arguing which career decisions each other should make because you are all different people.

4. Merging carriers is a management function. Labor does not merge corporate entities. Labor merges seniority lists AFTER management decides on a corporate transaction. Trying to merge a seniority list without a corporate merger is pointless.

If you can accept some or all of those assertions, then perhaps you can decide on a course of action from there. My plan is:

1. Decide on a seniority integration process for as many DCI carriers that want to participate. This will make it easier to sell the remaining steps to management. If management is going to be convinced to move along this path, they won't deal with a US Air/America West style food fight over seniority.
2. Work with management to standardize the work rules, PBS, pay, etc. for all DCI carriers.
3. Work with management to merge participating DCI carriers into one entity with flow up flow down.
4. Finally merge the DCI entity into mainline

It took a long time to get into this mess and it will take a long time to get out. Some of the current DCI carriers will be dropped or out of business by the time this is done. We should strive to make sure that pilots always go along with planes in any transaction. We should also strive to make sure that pilots that are happy with their current situation have some type of fence protection for their current jobs for at least some period of time.

Don't know if this is possible or even practical, but I think we all will be better off under one company and one contract.

Originally Posted by upndsky

I've never said it is going to happen, but the tides are changing. You're just proving my point. We had the control to let it happen. Again, IMO not the right thing to do, but it was OUR choice. The past can always be rectified and I don't see us repeating the same mistake.



First, it's not a threat. Just reality. The best you can hope for is additional loosening of scope, which we would have to agree on, or at the least keeping the current scope at its status quo. However, if we manage to reign in scope, it will have an impact on you. If you consider that a threat, I'm not sure what else to say and this conversation is over. In the end I want all of us (yes, that includes you) coming out smelling like roses. But I will also fight for what I believe is rightfully mine, just as I'm sure you will do the same.

Second, what ha ha ha? As a Delta employee, not a contractor, I believe I have an entitlement to all that flying Delta does and I am sure most will agree. So in that sense, yes, the flying is "mine," not "yours." If you want to question my maturity, I'd suggest you first look in the mirror. The quote at the end of that message can go both ways, "son."

Originally Posted by Chente

Could not agree more! That Joe and John guy are just trying to find ways to justify there reason for not leaving their regional. To each their own I guess.