Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

push by the government to increase competition among air carriers to lower fares.

Originally Posted by LeineLodge

1. It was clearly not a concessionary contract. You lose credibility when you say that. Argue with facts and you'll get further

2. Yes, the 12.5% does overcome the profit sharing. The profit sharing was monetized and accounts for about 2% of the entire 19.7ish % increase in compensation (notice I didn't say raise as some will quickly point out its a pay restoration for those that were here for the cuts, of which I am not one). This year is going to be close to "worst case" if you want to call it that, in that the company is going to be near $2B in profits. At 2.5B the company gains the max advantage of the monetization of profit sharing. The flip side, which will surely come someday is that even if delta doesn't make a penny, we still keep the part we monetized.

As an aside, there was talk of not having the 4 hour carve out for ADG. This likely would have resulted in the 73N categories closing in LAX, as the trips would have been credit heavy and Carmen would have seen fit to build the rotations from other bases. Better to have the carve out and maintain the LAX basing for our pilots? Or "show some spine" and end up with a bunch of displaced/commuting pilots?

Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob

I met Eva Mendes a few weeks ago...

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

The contract wasn't concessionary overall, but a lot of concessions were made- way more than should have been. I consider it a poor and rushed final product after years of concessions and lost retirements. ADG is low enough as it is (should be 5:15 with no carve out), I seriously doubt they would have dumped LAX if it weren't for the carve out. That stuff was just saying yes to get a quick deal.

Oh well... been over this, we'll get em next time, right?

Originally Posted by upndsky

Anybody else having issues with Flighline/Easybid/Widgetworks? I tried to print out my trip sheets for tomorrow and kept getting an "http:/1.1 404 not found" error. Called the help line and was told it won't be fixed until the next bid period. Are you kidding me? This isn't the first time I've had tech support issues with them. I think they must still be using punch cards or something.

The big reason I subscribe to them is for the trip sheets. If they can't reliably support that, I don't see any reason to keep giving them my money.

Anyone know of any alternatives?

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Ok, gonna take the conversation in a little different direction......

I'm thinking about finally entering the tablet era and getting an IPad by the end of the year. What's the difference between the IPad 2 and the IPad with "Retina Display?" Also, any recommendations on how much memory is really needed, 32 or 64 gig.

Thanks,

Denny

Originally Posted by ExAF

Flew Cheech AND Chong the other day.

Originally Posted by ImTumbleweed

If DALPA (with ALPA support) can look in the mirror and think they did a "good job" with the last contract then I am TERRIFIED of our next contract negations.

I am TERRIFIED to see what DALPA will give up in the next contract for a cost of living pay increase.

Let's face it....DALPA (with ALPA support) brought a knife to a gunfight.

TERRIFIED of the next round of contract talks.

And btw, not sure if it's true the company offered a "zero percent pay raise" but if that really happened the lead of the Negotiating Committee should have stood up and said "Then we are done here. We will prepare to strike. Call me if you'd like to negotiate, here's my cell number".

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

The contract wasn't concessionary overall, but a lot of concessions were made- way more than should have been. I consider it a poor and rushed final product after years of concessions and lost retirements. ADG is low enough as it is (should be 5:15 with no carve out), I seriously doubt they would have dumped LAX if it weren't for the carve out. That stuff was just saying yes to get a quick deal.

Originally Posted by Herkflyr

STRIKE??? Ah hah hah hah hah! Do you even realize we were in EARLY contract negotiations? Do you even realize that had we not reached an agreement that we would just now be in the BEGINNING of traditional section 6 negotiations? And that even if the NLRB and/or Obama administration allowed us to strike (questionable assumption at best) that it would be years from now?

That doesn't mean that we should have ratified the last contract, though I admit I voted for it. It was a decent agreement, not great. Perhaps we should have walked away, I still haven't figured it out.

But the company would know in a nanosecond that some foolhardy statement of "we will prepare to strike" as we walked away from negotiations that were early and far outside the traditional Section 6 would be nothing but feel-good bluster.

Save the feel-good bluster for the forums of the world.