Originally Posted by shiznit

I wouldn't throw anything out as a negotiator. I'd rather bluff the company out of one of my throwaways in exchange for gettin something that is actually desired by the group. Not tipping my hand on that if possible.

We do agree that getting back toward C2K is the goal, but I think a pre-determined JPWA, followed by an SOT and TOT, followed by an early PWA, coupled with a very short duration; then a couple of scope opportunities, sandwiched with a way to leverage improvements in FTDT, followed by the next round of Sect. 6 has made a LOT of progress in 5-7 years!

Saying "NO" to everything over the last 5-7 years 'felt' realt satisfying but has/had it benefitted AA, LCC, UAL pilots?

I vote for the first method... "Enjoying" the Letter 51 days for an extra 5-6 years while saying no to anything except C2K immediately would have gained us ZERO.

Want in one hand and $&1t in the other and tell me which one fills up first. YMMV

So yes, we disagree on how to get results and improvements.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

If that is what you told him, you need to go back and correct this misinformation. Delta had UNLIMITED 70 seaters in 1990. Unlimited. And the line stayed at 70 until bankruptcy, where it went to 76. So, in reality, our scope section on 70 seaters is much TIGHTER than it was 20 years ago, and the line has only moved 6 seats in 23 years. At that rate, the regionals might see 100 seaters in another 100 years...

And for the naysayers, I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. I'll bet anyone $100 (payable to the Delta Pilots Charitable Fund) that DALPA won't permit anything bigger than 76 in the next contract. Any takers?

Originally Posted by shiznit

Do you show your cards and tell everyone what your strategy is after each hand of poker when you'll be playing against the same opponent every week? That doesn't seem like a very smart thing to do!

You really want to see the polling data? Get involved and elected to be a local rep.... Or be active enough to make sure the pilot you elect is accurately reflecting the pilot group!

Originally Posted by shiznit

That would be an opinion in bold. The reps and negotiators I've spoken with do not share your sentiment.

Like many of my peers, I'm confident my WANT list is way beyond my reasonable expectation list... Logic dictates that you don't want to undershoot the available leverage, that is the measure of acceptability in my opinion. By a 19-5 margin (21-5 if you wanted to count the MEM reps who had lost their LEC less than a month before the TA), it was determined by the MEC that the leverage had been used to the limit, and that it was up to the pilots to then take the information and decide whether it was acceptable.

I think that more restoration is likely and will happen more quickly when the Company is consistently profitable and we don't have so many of our peers dragging the wages down.

Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot

Thanks from a military family.

Delta Honor Guard - YouTube

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

Here's one pilot who will never waste his time filling out another one. I won't even waste my time researching our next ta. I'm just going to save myself the time and vote no.

Originally Posted by Raging white

So why not share us the opener? I mean, the company already studied those cards. You're not able to bluff cards that are "up" on the table.
How come that wasn't shared?

Originally Posted by shiznit

Negotiator's Notepad 12-01 "Contract 2012 opener"

Originally Posted by Raging white

So why not share us the opener? I mean, the company already studied those cards. You're not able to bluff cards that are "up" on the table.
How come that wasn't shared?

Originally Posted by shiznit

Negotiator's Notepad 12-01 "Contract 2012 opener"

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Delta MEC politics (particularly before the latest turnover) tend toward snap salute and fall in line. The dissentors are demonized. I spoke with some that agreed with your posts*, and some that didn't. The ones that agreed had little substance behind their justification other than repeating the party lines. Quite disappointed, but considering the sales job that went into the whole thing, not surprising. I disagree with your assertion that it can be extrapolaged from the vote that leverage had been used to the limit. That vote was solely whether it should be put to the masses.

We can enjoy a profit sharing check next year about the same or less than this year, as well as a less than COLA pay bump, while the company will sure enjoy keeping all that extra money in their pockets.