Originally Posted by hitimefurl

Interesting for me that the note and claim money made my 2006 pay one of the largest I have ever had and that includes my C2K years.

Originally Posted by Timbo

Sorry to change the subject, but am I the only one watching FSU vs. Pitt?

How about that Freshman QB for FSU?? 17 of 18, 3 TD's and runs one in too...in the first half?!

Is this Winston kid for real, or just lucky?

Second half coming, could be interesting if he can keep it up.

Originally Posted by Check Essential

Maybe we can get the word to our reps that we would like to have MEMRAT on the upcomoing LOAs regarding scope in both the Atlantic and Pacific.
We don't vote very often as a pilot group. MEMRAT is very rare. Too rare.

DALPA wants pilot engagement. Here's a chance. Lots of line pilots are concerned about the durability and enforcability of our section 1 and all the modifications we make to it. These scope deals seem pretty important. Certainly worthy of a vote.

What say you DALPA?

Originally Posted by boog123

My wife's friend, who knows a pilot flying for Zantop, didn't hear that. I don't think he knows what he is talking about, credibility issue, IMO. Know what I am saying?

Originally Posted by Fly4hire

He was writing up missing or unfastened wing root fairing fasteners during walk-a-rounds on the 757 (base and out station) He would write them up and call them in (FOM said Captains had to make logbook entries), and of course no Capt. would refuse to make a write-up of a known discrepancy. Many minor delays ensued. Flight Ops was getting very irritated with TC (and all that entails) but the write-ups were legit if perhaps overly fastidious.

As the water was getting hotter for him a wing root fairing fell off a 757 and landed in someone's yard and made the news - due to too many fasteners loose, and TC went from doghouse to written letters of praise over his attention to detail.

Originally Posted by Columbia

Why isn't there a general election for the ALPA president?

Originally Posted by Sink r8

Except it didn't play out that way. Each pilot group played this according to their own beliefs, and for the most part their beliefs match human nature. UAL just agreed to yank their furloughees acquired longevity on furlough. As far as I know, APA didn't do anything special for them. USAPA? The same.

The Delta pilots, as independently represented by our branch of the ALPA, took better care of our own, but that didn't quite extend to avoiding voluntary flying. COBRA was a positive step, as you pointed out. They also fought and won a recall in the case of FMII, and fought FMI, but ultimately gave up on, FMI. At every airline, pilots came back mostly when the airline wanted them back.



We're never going to get anywhere if we don't acknowledge that we drive the behavior. KR was faithfully relating the sentiment of the group: we (collectively) ask for pay, pay, pay, basing ourselves on a very narrow, short-term version of self-interest.

Our problem is that the majority of us believes that payrate increases solve everything. The people like Bar, who understand how to truly close the loop on furloughs and whipsaw, and are focused on bigger issues, are hopelessly outnumbered.

One of the biggest red herrings about ALPA is the presumption that National drives our actions. This feeds the quaint fantasy that somehow, the evil union is preventing our true, majestic, compassionate nature from blossoming into something beautiful, and oh so effective.

In this state of denial, I suppose the e-mail musings of a second-rate messiah is music to one's ears. Sounds very soothing, when you think about it: "...deep-down, I know you're a [deleted] tiger (or a cobra, whatever your preference is), and you're ready to burn this place down. All that's holding you back is those [deleted] ALPA guys, polling you, but failing to understand from your payrate-first attitude, that what you really are asking for is Scope, Scope, Scope. They're polling, but they're not really "bottom-up". We would be. And they're not really telling you what you want to focus on, but we would be willing to lead. So we'd do what you want, and tell you what to want us to do...".

Until we stop hoping someone is going to turn our water into wine, we're never going to acknowledge the issues, and therefore, we have no chance of solving them. Trying to pretend our issue is oppressive representation is a farce, a grotesque injury we commit onto ourselves. This is why we fail to properly supervise, and this how a fraction of the union guys (any union's guys) start sounding like wet nurses or management proxies: we're turning into a bunch of wet-nurses and management proxies. We probably poll like wet-nurses and management proxies, not trade unionists. And for sure, there wouldn't be enough of us to even show up at an election to vote for a trade unionist over a wet nurse.

Originally Posted by Fly4hire

He was writing up missing or unfastened wing root fairing fasteners during walk-a-rounds on the 757 (base and out station) He would write them up and call them in (FOM said Captains had to make logbook entries), and of course no Capt. would refuse to make a write-up of a known discrepancy. Many minor delays ensued. Flight Ops was getting very irritated with TC (and all that entails) but the write-ups were legit if perhaps overly fastidious.

As the water was getting hotter for him a wing root fairing fell off a 757 and landed in someone's yard and made the news - due to too many fasteners loose, and TC went from doghouse to written letters of praise over his attention to detail.

Originally Posted by johnso29

Could you highlight where I said it was a credible source?

Originally Posted by johnso29

Let's not forget the rivets on the DC9 that weren't perfectly flush.