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Old 08-21-2013 | 05:52 PM
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Flight Focus: About EFB

Our new EFB platform? If so, this has quite a bit more functionality than the pdf / ipad solution.
Old 08-21-2013 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
Looking at that now. If that's how detailed they were with their counterparts on the other side of the table, no wonder we didn't do better.

Examples from that Negotiator Notepad you cited:

  • Significantly increase hourly rates of pay
  • Provide for retroactive pay and benefits to the amendable date (if necessary)
  • Increase international pay and cover all operations outside the 48 contiguous states
  • Establish MED pay
  • Establish holiday pay
  • Improve the Profit Sharing Plan
I know. Frustrating isn't it. My wish list has a bunch more things on it than that...

It's not about "want"... It's about the leverage we actually have to "get".
Old 08-21-2013 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
I know. Frustrating isn't it. My wish list has a bunch more things on it than that...

It's not about "want"... It's about the leverage we actually have to "get".

Shiz,
What INTEGERS did they propose to significantly increase our hourly rates of pay.
Come on, you know what I'm asking when I say what was our opener.
Old 08-21-2013 | 06:10 PM
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After our lead negotiator was done with our TA he went and worked his same magic at the VW dealership.



His family, much like his union membership, not quite as impressed with his abilities as he was himself.
Old 08-21-2013 | 06:12 PM
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In other news, American reported it has no other plan to exit bankruptcy and will need to start over with creation of a stand alone plan then negotiate with creditors and the Courts if their merger with US is quashed. They estimate that process would take another 2 and 1/2 years. They pulled about 1.5% capacity down starting this fall.

Plane Business Banter put out the analysis created by Brett Snyder outside their paywall .... executive summary ....
Where does that leave us? It leaves us with a grand total of 4 markets that would be truly impacted by the merger. There’s DFW to both Philly and Charlotte, Charlotte to St Thomas, and DFW to Palm Springs.
The DOJ says they relied on an outside consultant for their analysis and is claiming "work privilege" to keep their data away from public scrutiny.

By Popular Demand: PlaneBusiness Analysis Of GAO Report on American Airlines-US Airways Merger | PlaneBuzz

IMHO it appears the DOJ failed to consider what happens to American without the merger and made erroneous assumptions based on growth faries and financing from the sale of unicorn tears.
Old 08-21-2013 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
In other news, American reported it has no other plan to exit bankruptcy and will need to start over with creation of a stand alone plan then negotiate with creditors and the Courts if their merger with US is quashed. They estimate that process would take another 2 and 1/2 years. They pulled about 1.5% capacity down starting this fall.

Plane Business Banter put out the analysis created by Brett Snyder outside their paywall .... executive summary ....The DOJ says they relied on an outside consultant for their analysis and is claiming "work privilege" to keep their data away from public scrutiny.

By Popular Demand: PlaneBusiness Analysis Of GAO Report on American Airlines-US Airways Merger | PlaneBuzz

IMHO it appears the DOJ failed to consider what happens to American without the merger and made erroneous assumptions based on growth faries and financing from the sale of unicorn tears.
And let the political games begin.

Now we'll see who the state of Texas loves more, American or SWA?
Old 08-21-2013 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
In other news, American reported it has no other plan to exit bankruptcy and will need to start over with creation of a stand alone plan then negotiate with creditors and the Courts if their merger with US is quashed. They estimate that process would take another 2 and 1/2 years. They pulled about 1.5% capacity down starting this fall.

Plane Business Banter put out the analysis created by Brett Snyder outside their paywall .... executive summary ....The DOJ says they relied on an outside consultant for their analysis and is claiming "work privilege" to keep their data away from public scrutiny.

By Popular Demand: PlaneBusiness Analysis Of GAO Report on American Airlines-US Airways Merger | PlaneBuzz

IMHO it appears the DOJ failed to consider what happens to American without the merger and made erroneous assumptions based on growth faries and financing from the sale of unicorn tears.
Great. So we'll still have USAir and AMR's low wages holding down the average when we exchange openers in 1 1/2 years?
Old 08-21-2013 | 06:47 PM
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I think for Delta, pilots flying the 76 seater routes with mainline 717s has finally become economical and will continue to be so for the near future. The real reason is the anticipated turnover. As we start retiring 400-800 pilots a year, the turnover on the smaller fleet will be tremendous. And thereby allowing the cost of operating the 717 to be low. Of course that is assuming people will progress off the 717 to larger airframes.
Old 08-21-2013 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbur Wright
Great. So we'll still have USAir and AMR's low wages holding down the average when we exchange openers in 1 1/2 years?
AA got pay bumps in their concessionary contract that jump on up closer to ours (and eventually pass us), so the laggard will still be US. You can bet your paycheck they sure won't be raising the bar by themselves by then...and probably will be working under the same payrates as they have for the last 9 or whatever it is years. USAPA: the ostrich with its head in the sand of pilot unions.

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Old 08-21-2013 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
We can agree to disagree. I'm ok with that.

I won't be ok if there isn't a visible effort by every pilot to vote and support the new batch of reps for C2015 and hold those reps to the standard that the majority of pilots desire. That means showing up for meetings and events, wearing their ALPA pin or lanyard, getting rid of all the DPA stickers/pins/lanyards/bagtags. Every pilot who makes a public display showing they are not unified behind the people they elected, the less leverage and resolve the Company thinks we have. I know you are a supporter albeit a frustrated one, but we need pilots to realize that unity will be necessary to keep climbing the road to restoration.

*There were ALPA reps referencing my posts on APC?
Fair enough. I know we won't agree, but I appreciate the good exchange.

I openly support ALPA and encourage getting involved when I'm out on the line, but one reality you're going to have to deal with in your second part is that right at half the pilot group (above half of active pilots) has put in a DPA card. Apparently most of those things have been renewed.

This is in no small part to the many missteps that have been made, particularly with the C2012 effort. That alone was worth about 800 cards immediately afterward. ALPA, should they want to remain our bargaining agent, is going to have to seriously look at the way they do things, how they take line pilot input, and how they take ALPA national lawyer input if they want to stop that train coming down the tracks.

The blood is on many of your alpa predecesors' hands, but its up to the current regime to fix. Get on it!
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