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Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1467653)
Negotiator's Notepad 12-01 "Contract 2012 opener"
If that glossy handout was what we really threw on the table ill stop asking for more transparency. I have a feeling what we really opened with was FAR more specific. But fair enough Shiz. |
Originally Posted by Raging white
(Post 1467636)
So why not share us the opener? I mean, the company already studied those cards. You're not able to bluff cards that are "up" on the table.
How come that wasn't shared?
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1467653)
Negotiator's Notepad 12-01 "Contract 2012 opener"
Examples from that Negotiator Notepad you cited: SECTION 3 – COMPENSATION
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1467638)
Delta MEC politics (particularly before the latest turnover) tend toward snap salute and fall in line. The dissentors are demonized. I spoke with some that agreed with your posts*, and some that didn't. The ones that agreed had little substance behind their justification other than repeating the party lines. Quite disappointed, but considering the sales job that went into the whole thing, not surprising. I disagree with your assertion that it can be extrapolaged from the vote that leverage had been used to the limit. That vote was solely whether it should be put to the masses.
We can enjoy a profit sharing check next year about the same or less than this year, as well as a less than COLA pay bump, while the company will sure enjoy keeping all that extra money in their pockets. :) I won't be ok if there isn't a visible effort by every pilot to vote and support the new batch of reps for C2015 and hold those reps to the standard that the majority of pilots desire. That means showing up for meetings and events, wearing their ALPA pin or lanyard, getting rid of all the DPA stickers/pins/lanyards/bagtags. Every pilot who makes a public display showing they are not unified behind the people they elected, the less leverage and resolve the Company thinks we have. I know you are a supporter albeit a frustrated one, but we need pilots to realize that unity will be necessary to keep climbing the road to restoration. *There were ALPA reps referencing my posts on APC? |
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Our new EFB platform? If so, this has quite a bit more functionality than the pdf / ipad solution. |
Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
(Post 1467661)
Looking at that now. If that's how detailed they were with their counterparts on the other side of the table, no wonder we didn't do better.
Examples from that Negotiator Notepad you cited:
It's not about "want"... It's about the leverage we actually have to "get". |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1467665)
I know. Frustrating isn't it. My wish list has a bunch more things on it than that...
It's not about "want"... It's about the leverage we actually have to "get". Shiz, What INTEGERS did they propose to significantly increase our hourly rates of pay. Come on, you know what I'm asking when I say what was our opener. |
After our lead negotiator was done with our TA he went and worked his same magic at the VW dealership.
His family, much like his union membership, not quite as impressed with his abilities as he was himself. |
In other news, American reported it has no other plan to exit bankruptcy and will need to start over with creation of a stand alone plan then negotiate with creditors and the Courts if their merger with US is quashed. They estimate that process would take another 2 and 1/2 years. They pulled about 1.5% capacity down starting this fall.
Plane Business Banter put out the analysis created by Brett Snyder outside their paywall .... executive summary .... Where does that leave us? It leaves us with a grand total of 4 markets that would be truly impacted by the merger. There’s DFW to both Philly and Charlotte, Charlotte to St Thomas, and DFW to Palm Springs. By Popular Demand: PlaneBusiness Analysis Of GAO Report on American Airlines-US Airways Merger | PlaneBuzz IMHO it appears the DOJ failed to consider what happens to American without the merger and made erroneous assumptions based on growth faries and financing from the sale of unicorn tears. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1467676)
In other news, American reported it has no other plan to exit bankruptcy and will need to start over with creation of a stand alone plan then negotiate with creditors and the Courts if their merger with US is quashed. They estimate that process would take another 2 and 1/2 years. They pulled about 1.5% capacity down starting this fall.
Plane Business Banter put out the analysis created by Brett Snyder outside their paywall .... executive summary ....The DOJ says they relied on an outside consultant for their analysis and is claiming "work privilege" to keep their data away from public scrutiny. By Popular Demand: PlaneBusiness Analysis Of GAO Report on American Airlines-US Airways Merger | PlaneBuzz IMHO it appears the DOJ failed to consider what happens to American without the merger and made erroneous assumptions based on growth faries and financing from the sale of unicorn tears. Now we'll see who the state of Texas loves more, American or SWA? :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1467676)
In other news, American reported it has no other plan to exit bankruptcy and will need to start over with creation of a stand alone plan then negotiate with creditors and the Courts if their merger with US is quashed. They estimate that process would take another 2 and 1/2 years. They pulled about 1.5% capacity down starting this fall.
Plane Business Banter put out the analysis created by Brett Snyder outside their paywall .... executive summary ....The DOJ says they relied on an outside consultant for their analysis and is claiming "work privilege" to keep their data away from public scrutiny. By Popular Demand: PlaneBusiness Analysis Of GAO Report on American Airlines-US Airways Merger | PlaneBuzz IMHO it appears the DOJ failed to consider what happens to American without the merger and made erroneous assumptions based on growth faries and financing from the sale of unicorn tears. |
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