Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-03-2013 | 02:04 PM
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09-03-2013 | 02:05 PM
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09-03-2013 | 02:06 PM
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Let's say they're... their... THERE... reacting to the 717 delays then wouldn't this be a bad indication that the 717 delay is longer than we see right now (one week)?
09-03-2013 | 02:22 PM
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We now interrupt you political discussion for a quick question about hiring...
Getting to the age where I'm becoming Farsighted (Can't see near things). Is this going to be an issue at the interview and hurt my chances for a job?
... We now return you to your previous programming.
Getting to the age where I'm becoming Farsighted (Can't see near things). Is this going to be an issue at the interview and hurt my chances for a job?
... We now return you to your previous programming.
09-03-2013 | 02:25 PM
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09-03-2013 | 02:35 PM
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09-03-2013 | 02:39 PM
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Interesting article on Deltanet detailing all the fall pullbacks in Europe. I forget how many destinations are losing Delta service, but it's a lot. I know it happens every fall, but this looks like more.
Must be part of their plan to get back in JV compliance? Or would we have to add flights to do that?
Or, maybe, ALPA has maybe "worked something out" for us already? Makes you wonder...
Must be part of their plan to get back in JV compliance? Or would we have to add flights to do that?
Or, maybe, ALPA has maybe "worked something out" for us already? Makes you wonder...
09-03-2013 | 02:44 PM
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09-03-2013 | 02:49 PM
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Good grief. What does it take for you to say on topic. I never said a word about all LOAs being voted on by the pilots.
C2K, LOA 46, LOA51, and C2K were all Contract Votes that's what I was talking about. That and the difference between 62% and 63% isn't that much considering the bankruptcy was in the middle. MEMRAT on the contract is our tool. It's either been used or it hasn't and there's no reason to believe a change in power will change this vote split very much. Almost the same vote 12 years apart has nothing to do with the sale of the product as it does the individual pilots, unless you think that 62% of the pilots are idiots? A perfect vote for management would be 51%. The DPA in it's current form is unprepared to unify the pilot group at all and ALPA needs to reunify the group.
If you want to go down the MEMRAT every LOA path then it needs to start somewhere and it's probably the way MEMRAT started in the first place, by a resolution.
C2K, LOA 46, LOA51, and C2K were all Contract Votes that's what I was talking about. That and the difference between 62% and 63% isn't that much considering the bankruptcy was in the middle. MEMRAT on the contract is our tool. It's either been used or it hasn't and there's no reason to believe a change in power will change this vote split very much. Almost the same vote 12 years apart has nothing to do with the sale of the product as it does the individual pilots, unless you think that 62% of the pilots are idiots? A perfect vote for management would be 51%. The DPA in it's current form is unprepared to unify the pilot group at all and ALPA needs to reunify the group.
If you want to go down the MEMRAT every LOA path then it needs to start somewhere and it's probably the way MEMRAT started in the first place, by a resolution.
Even though I don't agree with him at all on the DPA/ALPA discussion, I had a similar reaction to your post. If you're going to talk about the strengths of ALPA, or the weaknesses of DPA, you have a lot to work with.
ALPA's approach to MEMRAT is probably not on the top ten.
I've been ready, willing, and able to vote on a lot of significant LOA's, but alas, my participation has not been required. The real lever we have is in electing good reps, and booting them if we're dissatisfied. That's about it. Furthermore, considering the various NDA's, I've been having to trust my reps to make the right choice, even though I can't peek over their shoulder at the data, to confirm they've arrived at the right conclusion.
DPA looks like an inferior product to me. I don't see the plan, and I don't see the point. myALPA comes with a number of better features, but an unlimited MEMRAT plan isn't one of them.
09-03-2013 | 03:05 PM
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How Purple came off my ignore list, I do not know, but he's been trying to lay down arguments that didn't sound like tantrums, and I've been doing him the courtesy of reading his stuff without automatically disagreeing.
Even though I don't agree with him at all on the DPA/ALPA discussion, I had a similar reaction to your post. If you're going to talk about the strengths of ALPA, or the weaknesses of DPA, you have a lot to work with.
ALPA's approach to MEMRAT is probably not on the top ten.
I've been ready, willing, and able to vote on a lot of significant LOA's, but alas, my participation has not been required. The real lever we have is in electing good reps, and booting them if we're dissatisfied. That's about it. Furthermore, considering the various NDA's, I've been having to trust my reps to make the right choice, even though I can't peek over their shoulder at the data, to confirm they've arrived at the right conclusion.
DPA looks like an inferior product to me. I don't see the plan, and I don't see the point. myALPA comes with a number of better features, but an unlimited MEMRAT plan isn't one of them.
Even though I don't agree with him at all on the DPA/ALPA discussion, I had a similar reaction to your post. If you're going to talk about the strengths of ALPA, or the weaknesses of DPA, you have a lot to work with.
ALPA's approach to MEMRAT is probably not on the top ten.
I've been ready, willing, and able to vote on a lot of significant LOA's, but alas, my participation has not been required. The real lever we have is in electing good reps, and booting them if we're dissatisfied. That's about it. Furthermore, considering the various NDA's, I've been having to trust my reps to make the right choice, even though I can't peek over their shoulder at the data, to confirm they've arrived at the right conclusion.
DPA looks like an inferior product to me. I don't see the plan, and I don't see the point. myALPA comes with a number of better features, but an unlimited MEMRAT plan isn't one of them.
Additionally, the decision as to what constitutes a "significant" contract change is never our decision to make, thereby (theirbuy? they're by?) removing the teeth from MEMRAT.
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