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09-05-2013 | 10:53 AM
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This is sad. It's 2.25% on July 1, 2015. July 1, 2015 is 6 months prior to the PWA's amendable date. April 1, 2015 is when we can exchange openers per Section 6, but that date has nothing to do with what triggers the dues increase to 2.25%. Again, 2.25% on July 1, 2015. Carl
Again, if you'd have read what I've written, you'll see I've not discussed if both sides agreed to start negotiations as early as possible. That can only happen if both sides agree to it. If both sides did agree to that, then yes it is specifically covered as a special circumstance in the DPA constitution and would trigger a 0.5% dues increase on April 1, 2015...not October 2014, April 1, 2015. If both sides don't agree to start Section 6 as early as possible, then it's July 1, 2015, and snaps down afterward.
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Here it is again.
This is sad. It's 2.25% on July 1, 2015. July 1, 2015 is 6 months prior to the PWA's amendable date. April 1, 2015 is when we can exchange openers per Section 6, but that date has nothing to do with what triggers the dues increase to 2.25%. Again, 2.25% on July 1, 2015.
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09-05-2013 | 10:57 AM
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Look dude, I gotta tell ya, I'm only skimming your posts now. You are so wordy and unfocused, I just lose interest.
From my skimming, I think you're admitting you got your first bullet point wrong. Your dates are just flat wrong. Now to your angst regarding dues' ability to go up 0.5% without MEMRAT for clearly defined special circumstances...I'm fine with that. ALPA can (and has) made major changes to our contract via LOA's. No MEMRAT. But if you now have MEMRAT fervor, I'm good with that too. You put forth a resolution to your block rep requiring MEMRAT for a 0.5% dues increase for special circumstances, and I'll back you.
Is this horse still twitching? Shall we move on to the second bullet point of your first laundry list from yesterday?
Carl
From my skimming, I think you're admitting you got your first bullet point wrong. Your dates are just flat wrong. Now to your angst regarding dues' ability to go up 0.5% without MEMRAT for clearly defined special circumstances...I'm fine with that. ALPA can (and has) made major changes to our contract via LOA's. No MEMRAT. But if you now have MEMRAT fervor, I'm good with that too. You put forth a resolution to your block rep requiring MEMRAT for a 0.5% dues increase for special circumstances, and I'll back you.
Is this horse still twitching? Shall we move on to the second bullet point of your first laundry list from yesterday?
Carl
MEMRAT for everything is a different bullet point. It's not a laundry list. My exception was to the Constitution the list was some example for discussion. If you're bored with discussion then I'm sure you don't need to participate.
09-05-2013 | 11:01 AM
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Cliff notes:
DPA Constitution
3. The dues rate shall be 1.75% upon initial certification by the National Mediation Board. On January 1st of the second full fiscal year following initial certification, the dues rate shall drop annually by 0.25% every year until reaching a minimum dues rate of 1%. Special Circumstance Exception: Six (6) months prior to the amendable date of the Pilot Working Agreement, or upon early opening of negotiations if greater than six (6) months prior to the amendable date, or upon notification of a possible bankruptcy or merger initiated by the Company, the dues rate will temporarily increase by 0.5% until the new contract is ratified, or bankruptcy proceedings or merger integration is complete.
DPA Fiscal Year Jan-Jan
2nd full fiscal year would be Jan 2015, but only if vote happen prior to January 2014 otherwise the second full fiscal year would be 2016.
Increase done via existing constitution as written and without a vote.
To change the constitution requires a 2/3 Executive Board vote AND a simple majority vote of the membership.
DPA Constitution
3. The dues rate shall be 1.75% upon initial certification by the National Mediation Board. On January 1st of the second full fiscal year following initial certification, the dues rate shall drop annually by 0.25% every year until reaching a minimum dues rate of 1%. Special Circumstance Exception: Six (6) months prior to the amendable date of the Pilot Working Agreement, or upon early opening of negotiations if greater than six (6) months prior to the amendable date, or upon notification of a possible bankruptcy or merger initiated by the Company, the dues rate will temporarily increase by 0.5% until the new contract is ratified, or bankruptcy proceedings or merger integration is complete.
DPA Fiscal Year Jan-Jan
2nd full fiscal year would be Jan 2015, but only if vote happen prior to January 2014 otherwise the second full fiscal year would be 2016.
Increase done via existing constitution as written and without a vote.
To change the constitution requires a 2/3 Executive Board vote AND a simple majority vote of the membership.
And that automatic dues increase stays until we have a contract, that could take years.
09-05-2013 | 11:03 AM
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09-05-2013 | 11:06 AM
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I wish we could get a DPA vote so everyone would shut the hell up about it. There is no way they will win so let's just let them have a vote and move on.
09-05-2013 | 11:16 AM
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09-05-2013 | 11:21 AM
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09-05-2013 | 11:24 AM
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We've never had the vote for LOAs and ALPA has always had a vote for dues and assessments. The DPA has codified an automatic dues increase without a vote for specific events. This can not happen today.
MEMRAT for everything is a different bullet point. It's not a laundry list. My exception was to the Constitution the list was some example for discussion. If you're bored with discussion then I'm sure you don't need to participate.
MEMRAT for everything is a different bullet point. It's not a laundry list. My exception was to the Constitution the list was some example for discussion. If you're bored with discussion then I'm sure you don't need to participate.
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09-05-2013 | 11:27 AM
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This could take years.
Then we have to factor in the fact that there is no MCF and no MEC Savings account to enter into negotiations. We'd probably have to pony up assessments on top of the already high DPA dues rate of 2.25%.
Then we have to factor in the fact that there is no MCF and no MEC Savings account to enter into negotiations. We'd probably have to pony up assessments on top of the already high DPA dues rate of 2.25%.
09-05-2013 | 11:27 AM
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