Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-05-2013 | 07:06 AM
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No, I am not comparing NewK to Katz, I hold NewK in great esteem. He is one of the few APC posters that is willing to have a discussion absent a great deal of the emotion that tends to bubble up here.
09-05-2013 | 07:51 AM
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OK.
Our amendable date is December 31, 2015. Six months prior to December 31, 2015 is July 1, 2015. Now from the DPA as posted by hitimefurl and highlighted by shiznit:
Note it does not say 6 months prior to Section 6 openers as stated by hitimefurl and reiterated by shiznit.
Our amendable date is December 31, 2015. Six months prior to December 31, 2015 is July 1, 2015. Now from the DPA as posted by hitimefurl and highlighted by shiznit:
Note it does not say 6 months prior to Section 6 openers as stated by hitimefurl and reiterated by shiznit.
Do you have any idea why DPA's dues rate would be that much higher since DPA wouldn't be supporting RJ pilots or a National structure some have described as "bloated"?
If those expenses are gone, and DPA is doing the same mission, why is the dues rate that high? I've read a lot of comments here from DPA cheerleaders that promise DPA will be more fiscally responsible, won't have dues diverted to other pilot groups, and will be more transparent.
Shouldn't there be enough transparency now to explain how a more fiscally responsible union that doesn't spend dues on other groups would cost us MORE?
09-05-2013 | 08:04 AM
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This is sad. It's 2.25% on July 1, 2015. July 1, 2015 is 6 months prior to the PWA's amendable date. April 1, 2015 is when we can exchange openers per Section 6, but that date has nothing to do with what triggers the dues increase to 2.25%. Again, 2.25% on July 1, 2015.
It's right there in what you and hitimefurl keep referencing. The "negotiations" currently under way by DALPA do not trigger a dues increase.
Carl
It's right there in what you and hitimefurl keep referencing. The "negotiations" currently under way by DALPA do not trigger a dues increase.
Carl
Still didn't answer who decides what constitutes the vaguely worded negotiations in the DPA constitution. ALPA is literally at the table with the company this week, does that count? I really don't like the language.
09-05-2013 | 08:09 AM
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If those expenses are gone, and DPA is doing the same mission, why is the dues rate that high? I've read a lot of comments here from DPA cheerleaders that promise DPA will be more fiscally responsible, won't have dues diverted to other pilot groups, and will be more transparent.
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09-05-2013 | 08:27 AM
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09-05-2013 | 08:59 AM
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That's fine if you don't like the language. You can put forth a resolution to your block rep tightening up the language. I'll support you. ALPA being at the table this week has nothing to do with DPA being at the table. Most importantly, helping the company write a document that explains why we're giving away NRT slots is not one of the clearly defined special circumstances in the DPA constitution.So no worries shiznit.
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The fact is the company can do whatever they want with the NRT slots, including drawing them down to zero. Our leverage comes from the fact that they would like to maintain the codeshares they currently have in place. Your negotiators are attempting to capture more of the Pacific flying, which is currently a vulnerability.
Here's a question. How do you think the DPA would handle the NRT slot issue with mgmt? Would they have told Delta to pound sand? What reasonable gains can your organization provide me in this regard?
I'm still waiting for the master plan. Show me how DPA is going to improve my life and I may renew my card. So far I don't see it.
09-05-2013 | 09:03 AM
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I'm curious why we're quibbling about 0.5% when no one seems to care about the FPL question. That's the one I want to know about.
09-05-2013 | 09:04 AM
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Section 28
A. Effective Date and Duration
Except as expressly provided otherwise, this agreement will become effective on July 1, 2012, will continue in full force and effect through December 31, 2015, and will renew itself without change through each succeeding December 31st, unless written notice of intended change is served in accordance with Section 6, Title I, of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by either party here to at least 60 days but no more than 270 days prior to December 31, 2015 or December 31st in any year thereafter. In the absence of an agreement by March 31, 2016, the parties agree to jointly petition the National Mediation Board for mediation services.
A. Effective Date and Duration
Except as expressly provided otherwise, this agreement will become effective on July 1, 2012, will continue in full force and effect through December 31, 2015, and will renew itself without change through each succeeding December 31st, unless written notice of intended change is served in accordance with Section 6, Title I, of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by either party here to at least 60 days but no more than 270 days prior to December 31, 2015 or December 31st in any year thereafter. In the absence of an agreement by March 31, 2016, the parties agree to jointly petition the National Mediation Board for mediation services.
270 days prior to Dec 31, 2015 is what date?
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09-05-2013 | 09:07 AM
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09-05-2013 | 09:16 AM
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