Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-04-2013 | 12:42 PM
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Hoping Slowplay will jump in here with a C2012 scope comparison. I'm too lazy to do it today & have to work jobs # 2 & #3. But, my guess is that we're a lot better off under C2012.
09-04-2013 | 12:44 PM
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
What I want to know is, if you fly one of the French Jets, do you then get to taunt the Brits?? And everyone else? 
Might be worth bidding it just for that!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey0wvGiAH9g
"I fart in your general direction! Your Mother was a hamster, and your Father smelled of elderberries!"
Might be worth bidding it just for that!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey0wvGiAH9g
"I fart in your general direction! Your Mother was a hamster, and your Father smelled of elderberries!"
09-04-2013 | 12:47 PM
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I think merger mania has seriously been quelled with this DOJ lawsuit against AMR/LCC. I believe it will go through, but there will be some divestiture because the politicos want to ensure there is "enough" competition in the skies over America. Maybe in the long run it is a good thing for us since a duopoly... (what is the version of -opoly when there are 3?... Ahh nevermind, let's call it manage-a-trois) would result in more justification for cabotage. And the last thing we need is a state funded rag head airline flying between JFK and LAX..... (And I don't have to be PC either, they will be handed our jobs if cabotage becomes a reality, and you better bet that Chuck Shumer would like nothing more..... so if that offends you ( not you Carl) then KMA).
Carl
09-04-2013 | 01:01 PM
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If they pay the same (or more) and they bring over their own jets that will also pay that higher rate, WGAS? Are there really that many folks concerned that they may never get to the 767 fleet because they are stuck on a 737-9 even though they would pay exactly the same in your scenario?
So you are actually proposing that we should favor a lower pay rate for a given fleet on the off chance that we merge with another company that has that fleet as well, and the SL arbitrators are somehow cowed into believing that a similar pay rate makes two fleets similar in terms of desirability/QOL to pilots?
I just don't follow your logic in this case, and my answer is "Yes, I would love to see the 737-9 and A-321 pay the same as a 767."
So you are actually proposing that we should favor a lower pay rate for a given fleet on the off chance that we merge with another company that has that fleet as well, and the SL arbitrators are somehow cowed into believing that a similar pay rate makes two fleets similar in terms of desirability/QOL to pilots?
I just don't follow your logic in this case, and my answer is "Yes, I would love to see the 737-9 and A-321 pay the same as a 767."
Saw,
What you are saying probably won't matter to arbitrators in a SLI, is probably the main thing they are concerned with.
If we pay a 737-900 captain the same ad a 747-400/-777 captain, you pretty much assure a merger with Alaska will result in a SLI where the #1 Alaska pilot gets merged right behind our #1 B-777 or B-744 captain.
09-04-2013 | 01:10 PM
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Obama has answered the concerns that his desire to strike Syria has to do with his drawing of a red line last year if Syria used chemical weapons. Obama and Kerry have answered those concerns by reminding everyone that Obama never drew any red lines on this topic.
Skip ahead to 1:50...
Spin at its finest.
Carl
Skip ahead to 1:50...
Spin at its finest.
Carl
09-04-2013 | 01:12 PM
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Dang, I see you've even replied a 2nd time before this! The football penalty metaphor implies tongue in cheek humor, you know? So here:
Very glad about the aircraft announcement, let's all hope for the best and that the scenario plays out as a good amount of growth, though none of us can predict all the variables or how much mgt caution is just sensible management of wall street.
Better? "Go johnso, Go johnso!"
But thanks for clarifying. No need for cheer leading though. That's frowned upon. Unless it college girls cheerleading for college football.
09-04-2013 | 01:12 PM
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09-04-2013 | 01:17 PM
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Your bullet points (like the rest of this laundry list) are not facts. They are your opinions and completely mischaracterized writings. You're certainly entitled to your opinions as is Kingsley, but they're not facts. DPA's plans will only be decided upon by a members vote after a successful decertification vote of ALPA. You ALPA no matter what guys will do and/or say ANYTHING to keep that vote from happening. Your panic is actually painful to watch.
Self serving spin and panicked hyperbole won't work for you guys anymore. IMO, you're only hope of keeping ALPA here would be a complete and public repudiation of Mr. Moak and an absolute promise by our local leaders to vote against Moak's reelection, admit to the endemic conflict of interest within ALPA, and provide a clear plan to bring back all Delta branded flying to the Delta pilots seniority list.
You do those things and I'll tear up my DPA card and work for DALPA everyday til I retire.
Carl
Self serving spin and panicked hyperbole won't work for you guys anymore. IMO, you're only hope of keeping ALPA here would be a complete and public repudiation of Mr. Moak and an absolute promise by our local leaders to vote against Moak's reelection, admit to the endemic conflict of interest within ALPA, and provide a clear plan to bring back all Delta branded flying to the Delta pilots seniority list.
You do those things and I'll tear up my DPA card and work for DALPA everyday til I retire.
Carl
The DPA Constitution is effective upon certification.
October 29, 2010 DPA Begins Writing Constitution and By-Laws
Today the Delta Pilots Association begins the process of writing its Constitution and By-Laws. All Delta Air Lines Pilots can have a hand in writing these important and historical documents by signing up for membership in DPA. All members that participate in this process will be considered founding contributors and will be honored by finding their names attached as signatories on the final version of our Constitution to be released after DPA wins the National Mediation Board provided election.
Today the Delta Pilots Association begins the process of writing its Constitution and By-Laws. All Delta Air Lines Pilots can have a hand in writing these important and historical documents by signing up for membership in DPA. All members that participate in this process will be considered founding contributors and will be honored by finding their names attached as signatories on the final version of our Constitution to be released after DPA wins the National Mediation Board provided election.
- DPA announces dues will be lowered to anywhere between 1%-1.75% depending on where you read the website yet the constitution says they will go up without MEMRAT to 2.25% next year. ALPA can't raise dues today without a vote.
The dues rate shall be 1.75% upon initial certification by the National Mediation Board. On January 1st of the second full fiscal year following initial certification, the dues rate shall drop annually by 0.25% every year until reaching a minimum dues rate of 1%. Special Circumstance Exception: Six (6) months prior to the amendable date of the Pilot Working Agreement, or upon early opening of negotiations if greater than six (6) months prior to the amendable date, or upon notification of a possible bankruptcy or merger initiated by the Company, the dues rate will temporarily increase by 0.5% until the new contract is ratified, or bankruptcy proceedings or merger integration is complete.
- They say that FPL is bad yet they increased FPL for all volunteers including those that don't get FPL like that today over today's limits and pay for it out of the budget since they will take that money value assigned to the contract and spread it amongst the pilots. No, wait, make that the reps as the FPL is going up the money would go to them not the CBA.
The compensation/salaries of all Officers, Representatives and Committee Chairpersons of the Association shall be based on bidding for and flying one half (1/2) of the Average Line Value (ALV) of the awarded Category (as defined by the Pilot Working Agreement) or completing an equivalent amount of reserve duty. In addition, the Association will pay a salary of one half (1/2) of the ALV of the Category bid plus a premium of thirty percent (30%) of the ALV for the President and twenty-five percent (25%) of the ALV for all other Officers, Representatives and Committee Chairpersons.
- USAPA payed over $7 million in legal fees to SSM&P in less than 4 years after the vote. SSMP&P is charging 50% of their $250 fee, per their contract, with the rest outstanding after certification, yet the DPA has mysteriously paid a number so small that it can only be called incidental costs from the DPA logs. Where's the legal bill?
USAPSA v SSM&P S.D.N.Y 7:12-cv-01981-ER
- There's a second law firm on the DPA books that has charged more to the DPA than SSM&P so far. How could that be possible?
- New hires, pilots returning from disability and MILOA can't be reps for 2 years, nor could a pilot from a merged airline because of the 2 year good standing rule
1. Officer candidates must be active members in Good Standing for the preceding two years prior to being eligible to serve.
- New hires have to pay a maintenance fee their first year. Not about money, right?
A member's obligation for dues shall commence as of the date of eligibility for Active membership. Exception: New hire pilots will not pay dues during the first year of employment. New hire pilots will pay a $25.00 monthly service fee until the first anniversary of date of employment.
- Look through the USAPA LM2 and see the 6 figure employees they have. You want to know why? That's what good help costs today.
- "A contract which is understandable, enforceable and beneficial to both parties and should not exceed 200 pages." Really? Beneficial to the company? An iron clad 200 pages?
- Voting on everything and everybody. Where will you find the time?
- 25% of the pilots in a block to get a resolution passed vs simply majority at an LEC today? Harder to use the pilots will.
1. Any Active member or group of members in Good Standing has the right to petition (make a resolution) through the membership. 2. A petition containing signatures of twenty-five (25) percent or more of all Active members in Good Standing in a single Seniority Block shall constitute a valid petition.
09-04-2013 | 01:31 PM
Sho me da money!
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Obama has answered the concerns that his desire to strike Syria has to do with his drawing of a red line last year if Syria used chemical weapons. Obama and Kerry have answered those concerns by reminding everyone that Obama never drew any red lines on this topic.
Skip ahead to 1:50...
Spin at its finest.
Carl
Skip ahead to 1:50...
Spin at its finest.
Carl
09-04-2013 | 01:35 PM
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