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Old 08-31-2013 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Carl,

It took some research.

In 1998 ALPA gutted and bifurcated its Merger and Alter-ego policy.

The policy prior to these changes reflected the lessons of the Texas Air fiasco and formally declared that alter egos in any form to be the greatest threat to ALPA and they were not to be tolerated under any circumstances. At that time the definition of an alter ego was "When management forms or acquires another company for the purpose of operating an airline, it shall be deemed an alter ego..." ALPA's policy sought to prevent the formation of alter egos. If formed or acquired, ALPA's weapon of choice was the forced merger of the seniority lists. Thus the reason why the merger and alter ego policies were one in the same.

In 1998 ALPA bifurcated the Merger and Alter-ego policy and, worse, gutted the key definitions in the merger policy making it totally discretionary. ALPA said the primary motive was the Duke-Spellacy case and they didn't want to get pinned down in court again.

The Delta MEC was the instigator of the change and the timing, just months prior to Delta's purchase of ASA, suggests the Delta MEC had advanced knowledge of management's intentions concerning both ASA and Comair.

In effect, you could say ALPA's 1998 decision sowed the seeds of their own decline and the rise of the start-up rival unions. It wasn't just a bad decision, but it was the product of a horribly flawed strategic analysis where objective facts didn't matter.

As stated earlier, the disunity of the DPA is nothing new. It's genesis was right here, it resonates with the logic of the Delta MEC and Admin 15 years ago.
What you're describing above is under what conditions ALPA will define an alter ego airline and presumably when they would battle against one. That has nothing to do with what we're talking about here. We're talking about ALPA (Mr. Moak personally) signing a document that actually establishes an alter ego airline. That's what I mean when I speak of the sadness I feel when I see our union signing on to what we fought Frank Lorenzo so hard over 30 years ago.

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Old 08-31-2013 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by orvil
This happened to me as well. Just take the new rotation number and type it into the rotation tab. A trip will show up. At this point, it won't have your name on it. It will be a crappy trip that has none of the parameter's you used when you bid.

In my case, it increased my trip from a three day to a four day. I would drop it. But, there isn't anything in open time. I can't get a white slip, guys senior to me lap those up no matter how crappy the trip.
Doesn't this fly in the face of "reserves will all be flying 99 hours a month" complaint?

The fact is in the busy summer months SOME reserves will be abused, some of the time. Other than that reserve is a pretty good gig these days, and reserves got a higher guarantee 12 months a year.

If in fact you can't white slip anything "no matter how crappy the trip" (your words, not mine) then would it not make more sense to just bid reserve and stay home, since white slips always come before any reserve call out?

For all I know that may be your plan anyway.
Old 08-31-2013 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
We're talking about ALPA (Mr. Moak personally) signing a document that actually establishes an alter ego airline. That's what I mean when I speak of the sadness I feel when I see our union signing on to what we fought Frank Lorenzo so hard over 30 years ago.
And just what airline would that be?

And please tell me you're not talking about Endeavor, which is no different than Comair, ASA, Chataqua, Republic, Skywest, and all the rest that are permitted to fly aircraft under the Delta Connection brand, as permitted (and limited) by our PWA.
Old 08-31-2013 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
You are correct. President Moak has not been given a completely "free pass." Behind the scenes he has taken a little heat. Most view his actions in balance and aren't going to act on an issue which mostly screws the express pilots.
Most are puzzled by his actions because Mr. Moak will not discuss his strategy on why he's doing what he's doing. We're left to guess what his real long term strategy is. Until we find out, we're left with major pilots angry to see their jobs and flying continually outsourced on multiple fronts, and regional pilots angry to see their company's broken business models being resuscitated and trapping them in a job they don't want.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
If we end up with the DPA we have no chance to fix it.
How is ALPA "fixing" it now Bar? What exactly is the long term strategy we're pursuing to fix it?

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By structure and design the DPA does not want to undo the harm of disunity. The DPA represents the old radicals that screwed the thing up to being with.
You're making that up Bar. There is no structure and/or design yet to DPA. It's a website and an idea with a constitution that provides a vehicle for membership votes to build a design and structure someday.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
ALPA has the structure in place that facilitates restoration.
Restoration of what Bar? Unity? If so, how so? Exactly how so?

Carl
Old 08-31-2013 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
DPA supporters ... if you call for a vote, where do you draw the line on the "craft and class" that you intend to represent?
a. Delta seniority list pilots
Yes.

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b. Pilots within the Delta MEC at merger who are active
Yes.

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c. All pilots who perform Delta Company flying
No. The law doesn't allow for that.

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Old 08-31-2013 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Doesn't this fly in the face of "reserves will all be flying 99 hours a month" complaint?

The fact is in the busy summer months SOME reserves will be abused, some of the time. Other than that reserve is a pretty good gig these days, and reserves got a higher guarantee 12 months a year.

If in fact you can't white slip anything "no matter how crappy the trip" (your words, not mine) then would it not make more sense to just bid reserve and stay home, since white slips always come before any reserve call out?

For all I know that may be your plan anyway.
Wow, you are out of touch.
Old 08-31-2013 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Not plural, adjective. Possessive pronoun?
after 15, 000 posts do you think any of that makes sense to me?
Old 08-31-2013 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Most are puzzled by his actions because Mr. Moak will not discuss his strategy on why he's doing what he's doing. We're left to guess what his real long term strategy is.
I guess if someone doesn't want to say what they're for you could probably still figure it out by finding out what they're against.
Old 08-31-2013 | 08:35 AM
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Can someone explain this to me: I have a taxable amount of $44.03 on my paycheck for Delta provided life insurance ($500k, I believe). Now while I like the idea of getting "free" life insurance, a taxable amount of $88 a month seems pretty high. A 45 year old can lock in a $500k term policy for 20 years at about $25 a month (which would then take him out to age 65). Gotta wonder why the $88/mo value being placed on this benefit. What am I missing?
Old 08-31-2013 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
And just what airline would that be?

And please tell me you're not talking about Endeavor
Yes.

Bucking Bar has written some very cogent posts on this subject over the last few months. You should read them.

Carl
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