Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-04-2013, 10:37 AM
Da Hudge
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Did not get to enter commentary ... just wait until your kid(s) get older. When you hear "I've got to poo poo" you have two choices:
- Run like your hair is on fire
- Wait 3 minutes and hear "in my pants." At that point you've become a bad father & your wife tells her friends she can't trust you with the kids while you scrape poo off of whatever it has become crusted on and do laundry.
- Run like your hair is on fire
- Wait 3 minutes and hear "in my pants." At that point you've become a bad father & your wife tells her friends she can't trust you with the kids while you scrape poo off of whatever it has become crusted on and do laundry.
He'll be walking within a week or two, though. Yikes!
09-04-2013, 10:37 AM
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With the discussion on what the A-321 pay rate should be relative to the 737-900 and/or 757...
If my memory's right prior to contract 2000 the 757 (200), 767-200, 767-300 and 767-300ER all had different hourly rates.
Before the 737-700 showed up it had a separate pay rate from the -800. IIRC it paid less than the MD-88.
I'll say it again: I'm really stoked Delta ordered aircraft, and especially that they ordered the A-321 over the 737-900.
If my memory's right prior to contract 2000 the 757 (200), 767-200, 767-300 and 767-300ER all had different hourly rates.
Before the 737-700 showed up it had a separate pay rate from the -800. IIRC it paid less than the MD-88.
I'll say it again: I'm really stoked Delta ordered aircraft, and especially that they ordered the A-321 over the 737-900.
09-04-2013, 10:48 AM
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Ask yourself folks, would you want the A321/739 to pay equal to a B767-300 if it meant it could give another pilot group who does NOT have WB jets a WB argument?
IOW, if we merge with say....Alaska.....could an arbitrator consider a 737-900 the same as a B767? I mean, if Delta ALPA considers a 737-900ER equal to a 767-300ER, then what does that do for us in an arbitrated ISL situation?
IOW, if we merge with say....Alaska.....could an arbitrator consider a 737-900 the same as a B767? I mean, if Delta ALPA considers a 737-900ER equal to a 767-300ER, then what does that do for us in an arbitrated ISL situation?
If they pay the same (or more) and they bring over their own jets that will also pay that higher rate, WGAS? Are there really that many folks concerned that they may never get to the 767 fleet because they are stuck on a 737-9 even though they would pay exactly the same in your scenario?
So you are actually proposing that we should favor a lower pay rate for a given fleet on the off chance that we merge with another company that has that fleet as well, and the SL arbitrators are somehow cowed into believing that a similar pay rate makes two fleets similar in terms of desirability/QOL to pilots?
I just don't follow your logic in this case, and my answer is "Yes, I would love to see the 737-9 and A-321 pay the same as a 767."
09-04-2013, 10:49 AM
No longer cares
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09-04-2013, 10:51 AM
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09-04-2013, 10:52 AM
Looking for a laugh
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Airbus expected a 2016 opening. Possible some will come from there, unlikely all will.
Airbus comes to Alabama
Airbus comes to Alabama
Edit: OK, maybe second customer.
JetBlue Airways CEO and President David Barger gave his perspective on how Airbus’ $600 million investment in the new Alabama industrial site is viewed by its U.S. customers: “It demonstrates the level of Airbus’ commitment of being close to its important American operator base for A320 aircraft.” He also announced that JetBlue will receive the very first A320 from the Mobile final assembly line – which is targeted for delivery in 2016.
09-04-2013, 11:01 AM
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In other news, fleet planning manager says today's order is growth with the usual caveats about economic downturns, northern hemisphere becoming uninhabitable due to Fukishima, Grace Ross & Rosie becoming President, etc ....
09-04-2013, 11:07 AM
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If they pay the same (or more) and they bring over their own jets that will also pay that higher rate, WGAS? Are there really that many folks concerned that they may never get to the 767 fleet because they are stuck on a 737-9 even though they would pay exactly the same in your scenario?
So you are actually proposing that we should favor a lower pay rate for a given fleet on the off chance that we merge with another company that has that fleet as well, and the SL arbitrators are somehow cowed into accepting the fact that a similar pay rate makes two fleets similar in terms of desirability/QOL to pilots?
I just don't follow your logic in this case, and my answer is "Yes, I would love to see the 737-9 and A-321 pay the same as a 767."
So you are actually proposing that we should favor a lower pay rate for a given fleet on the off chance that we merge with another company that has that fleet as well, and the SL arbitrators are somehow cowed into accepting the fact that a similar pay rate makes two fleets similar in terms of desirability/QOL to pilots?
I just don't follow your logic in this case, and my answer is "Yes, I would love to see the 737-9 and A-321 pay the same as a 767."
I'm not proposing anything. I'm simply asking a question. I'm trying to start a discussion. Stimulate thought if you will. I'm not stating my opinion one way or the other.
My question is, is there a possibility that if DALPA were consider the the 737-900ER equal to the 767-300ER could that be a disadvantage to us in an arbitrated ISL integration? I'm not sure how the arbitrator would have to be cowed into anything. Is QOL one of the factors used in the ALPA merger policy? What about desirability? The arbitrators didn't buy that the 744 was any more desirable then the 777. NWA tried to convince them the "Super Premium" WB flying was somehow better. It didn't work.
As I said earlier, I'm simply trying to create a discussion.
09-04-2013, 11:17 AM
Gets Weekends Off
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Except that's what 100 737-900ERs are for!!! Reality Clamp!!! 
And yes I know the 737-900ER pays less. So let's talk about that.
Ask yourself folks, would you want the A321/739 to pay equal to a B767-300 if it meant it could give another pilot group who does NOT have WB jets a WB argument?
IOW, if we merge with say....Alaska.....could an arbitrator consider a 737-900 the same as a B767? I mean, if Delta ALPA considers a 737-900ER equal to a 767-300ER, then what does that do for us in an arbitrated ISL situation?
And yes I know the 737-900ER pays less. So let's talk about that.
Ask yourself folks, would you want the A321/739 to pay equal to a B767-300 if it meant it could give another pilot group who does NOT have WB jets a WB argument?
IOW, if we merge with say....Alaska.....could an arbitrator consider a 737-900 the same as a B767? I mean, if Delta ALPA considers a 737-900ER equal to a 767-300ER, then what does that do for us in an arbitrated ISL situation?
09-04-2013, 11:18 AM
Back on TDY
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In other news from the United/Continental merger threads, here's another example of an ungrateful hater hoping for an independent union.
Why is ALPA so misunderstood by so many people?
Carl
And I still love my job very much. I cannot wait to get to fly new airplanes with new friends and new bases. I cannot wait to move forward as one united pilot group. And I eagerly dream of us building our own non-ALPA union - together - that protects OUR interests as United Airlines pilots.
And I really can't wait to kick Delta's ass.
And I really can't wait to kick Delta's ass.
Carl
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