Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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It is my understanding, if you use Reduced lower limit and your preferences can not build a line in the lower limit, PBS will start to remove your avoid preferences to get a line within the lower limit.
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Correct. I did the regular airlineapps rec first. When they were invited to an interview I just dropped a line to re-emphasize my support. The email address was put on deltanet previously and specifically in a an update from SD. Things are kind of hiding from me there with the redesign.
Going for new hire sim training Mid Late March to Mid April. Any ideas on places to stay either car or no car. 4 of us have similar schedule and would be ideal to rent a furnished place... any ideas?
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
That is a perfect cliff version of the ALPA roadshows to sell us C2012. I'm sure that is what the company told them and the believed it so I guess we can only blame ourselves for taking the bait second hand. I guess that's what we should expect when we send in the negotiators that got a weekend crash course vs. professional negotiators for the largest airline in the world.
I would love to see you produce one tiny shred of evidence that this anything approaching a true statement. You look like a fool when you repeat this kind of drivel.
But for the sake of argument, why do you think that a "professional negotiator" who has zero skin in the game (he is going to get paid regardless of the outcome) will have any idea the requirements and pitfalls of what it is like to be an airline pilot? What is it about this particular phrase or concept... "professional negotiator" that makes you and others think that we will get a better deal? How are they going to know what it is that we need? How will they know what we are willing to accept? What if they have to make a decision in the room on the fly? How will they do that? And lastly but most importantly, who is to blame if they make a professional decision, and YOU are not happy with that decision? What is your recourse. Remember, his response is probably going to be "too bad, so sad, my check better clear"....
Stupid, stupid charges you level.
Originally Posted by RockyBoy
That is a perfect cliff version of the ALPA roadshows to sell us C2012. I'm sure that is what the company told them and the believed it so I guess we can only blame ourselves for taking the bait second hand. I guess that's what we should expect when we send in the negotiators that got a weekend crash course vs. professional negotiators for the largest airline in the world.
I would love to see you produce one tiny shred of evidence that this anything approaching a true statement. You look like a fool when you repeat this kind of drivel.
But for the sake of argument, why do you think that a "professional negotiator" who has zero skin in the game (he is going to get paid regardless of the outcome) will have any idea the requirements and pitfalls of what it is like to be an airline pilot? What is it about this particular phrase or concept... "professional negotiator" that makes you and others think that we will get a better deal? How are they going to know what it is that we need? How will they know what we are willing to accept? What if they have to make a decision in the room on the fly? How will they do that? And lastly but most importantly, who is to blame if they make a professional decision, and YOU are not happy with that decision? What is your recourse. Remember, his response is probably going to be "too bad, so sad, my check better clear"....
Stupid, stupid charges you level.
As for professional negotiators, doesn't the world understand that pilots are the smartest people in the world and no one can do a better job at anything than us?!!! Companies like GE, 3M, IBM and others are stupid for using consultants. What could an outside lawyer tell us anyway, that our scope wording allows for 3 years of abuse before the avg can be calculated? That would just take away opportunities to fix snafus through LOAs and for DALPA to tell us how awesome a job they did, and everything is better than it ever could be.
Make a decision on the fly? Yeah, you could promote shooting from the hip or, I don't know, maybe research it? Or go with making a decision on the fly--"change the bid months in the summer from 31 to 30? Uhh, ok, sure. Explain why that's good for me again?"
As for professional negotiators, doesn't the world understand that pilots are the smartest people in the world and no one can do a better job at anything than us?!!! Companies like GE, 3M, IBM and others are stupid for using consultants. What could an outside lawyer tell us anyway, that our scope wording allows for 3 years of abuse before the avg can be calculated? That would just take away opportunities to fix snafus through LOAs and for DALPA to tell us how awesome a job they did, and everything is better than it ever could be.
As for professional negotiators, doesn't the world understand that pilots are the smartest people in the world and no one can do a better job at anything than us?!!! Companies like GE, 3M, IBM and others are stupid for using consultants. What could an outside lawyer tell us anyway, that our scope wording allows for 3 years of abuse before the avg can be calculated? That would just take away opportunities to fix snafus through LOAs and for DALPA to tell us how awesome a job they did, and everything is better than it ever could be.

All of those guys are saying they have high expectations for C15.
Is it me???
If I thought something was missing from my timecard for last month, I'd be calling the Company and then DALPA scheduling (if I didn't like the Company's answer) and asking Monday morning first thing. Your January timecard isn't going to change now unless you do. (I'm guessing it should have been calculated a while ago.)
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Hey, if you're tired of watching little girls spin around fast on ice, there's some good music going on right now, on TV, find your WTSP Channel. They are doing a tribute to the Beatles, they first appeared in the USA on Ed Sullivan's show, 50 years ago tonight.
Lots of contemporary musicians playing Beatles stuff tonight.
Lots of contemporary musicians playing Beatles stuff tonight.
i watched the alpine skiers go 90mph down a mountain. i watched the ski jumpers fly. i watched the cross country skiers collapse at the finish line.
then i watched some kid win a gold medal on a snowboard and he chewed gum the entire time.
they should have real gold medals for the people who risked their lives and give the rest those chocolate coins covered in yellow tin foil for turning a hobby into an olympic sport.
then i watched some kid win a gold medal on a snowboard and he chewed gum the entire time.
they should have real gold medals for the people who risked their lives and give the rest those chocolate coins covered in yellow tin foil for turning a hobby into an olympic sport.
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i watched the alpine skiers go 90mph down a mountain. i watched the ski jumpers fly. i watched the cross country skiers collapse at the finish line.
then i watched some kid win a gold medal on a snowboard and he chewed gum the entire time.
they should have real gold medals for the people who risked their lives and give the rest those chocolate coins covered in yellow tin foil for turning a hobby into an olympic sport.
then i watched some kid win a gold medal on a snowboard and he chewed gum the entire time.
they should have real gold medals for the people who risked their lives and give the rest those chocolate coins covered in yellow tin foil for turning a hobby into an olympic sport.
Best post I've seen in a while. Hear hear
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