Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-04-2013, 09:47 AM
Da Hudge
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I've never stated that all the 321s are non-growth. There is always overlap on deliveries being taken and aircraft being parked. You keep putting words in my mouth for some reason.
09-04-2013, 09:49 AM
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You posted this:
Well which is replacing the 757s? Because previously you said it was the A321. But now you're saying it's the 737-900ER. So which is replacing the B757s?
Last I checked we have 139 B757-200s, 16 B757-300s, 16 B767-300s, & 69 A320s. And what defines "early generation?" Are you implying that Delta is parking all these airplanes by the end of the announced deliveries?
Last I checked we have 139 B757-200s, 16 B757-300s, 16 B767-300s, & 69 A320s. And what defines "early generation?" Are you implying that Delta is parking all these airplanes by the end of the announced deliveries?
Where did I put any words in your mouth?
09-04-2013, 09:50 AM
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Not that there's anything wrong with that!
Cheerleading is fine and all. In fact, as shown below, Timbo used to be a cheerleader...albeit for very different reasons:
Carl
09-04-2013, 09:51 AM
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09-04-2013, 09:53 AM
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How was anything that I said gloomy? DL employed 10,400 pilots in 2001. I was 6822 when I got my seniority number in 2007... we are at 11,800 after merging with Northwest which had ~5500 pilots. The numbers speak for themselves! Timbo was speaking on reality when it comes to past actions in regard to growth.
09-04-2013, 09:53 AM
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What do you want? For the 757s, all the 5500 and up through 670 are up for replacement. All of the 763 domestics (non-etops) are up for replacement. Without a life extension, 3209-3250 are up for replacement. Also, I believe some of the first delivery 88s are up as well.
I've never stated that all the 321s are non-growth. There is always overlap on deliveries being taken and aircraft being parked. You keep putting words in my mouth for some reason.
I've never stated that all the 321s are non-growth. There is always overlap on deliveries being taken and aircraft being parked. You keep putting words in my mouth for some reason.
I went back and counted off the most current fleet card the 757-200s you mentioned(it was 42), plus the 16 767-300s and 40 A320s. So I count 98 airplanes. Give or take. Just FYI.
If you could answer this, I'd appreciate it. I'm just curious what people's thoughts are on this.
Ask yourself folks, would you want the A321/739 to pay equal to a B767-300 if it meant it could give another pilot group who does NOT have WB jets a WB argument?
IOW, if we merge with say....Alaska.....could an arbitrator consider a 737-900 the same as a B767? I mean, if Delta ALPA considers a 737-900ER equal to a 767-300ER, then what does that do for us in an arbitrated ISL situation?
IOW, if we merge with say....Alaska.....could an arbitrator consider a 737-900 the same as a B767? I mean, if Delta ALPA considers a 737-900ER equal to a 767-300ER, then what does that do for us in an arbitrated ISL situation?
09-04-2013, 09:57 AM
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DL had 10,400 pilots in 2001 and 6800 in 2007 was more my point. With a combined network with NW, we only have 1400 more pilots than DL alone had in 2001.
09-04-2013, 10:00 AM
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Ask yourself folks, would you want the A321/739 to pay equal to a B767-300 if it meant it could give another pilot group who does NOT have WB jets a WB argument?
IOW, if we merge with say....Alaska.....could an arbitrator consider a 737-900 the same as a B767? I mean, if Delta ALPA considers a 737-900ER equal to a 767-300ER, then what does that do for us in an arbitrated ISL situation?
IOW, if we merge with say....Alaska.....could an arbitrator consider a 737-900 the same as a B767? I mean, if Delta ALPA considers a 737-900ER equal to a 767-300ER, then what does that do for us in an arbitrated ISL situation?
Carl
09-04-2013, 10:03 AM
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Perfect. Thanks. Now is that more then 130 airplanes? Because I don't know how many M88s are up. I haven't heard anything about those.
If you could answer this, I'd appreciate it. I'm just curious what people's thoughts are on this.
You did say you wanted the A321 to pay what the B757 pays, but I wasn't sure if you addressed the integration part.
If you could answer this, I'd appreciate it. I'm just curious what people's thoughts are on this.
Ask yourself folks, would you want the A321/739 to pay equal to a B767-300 if it meant it could give another pilot group who does NOT have WB jets a WB argument?
IOW, if we merge with say....Alaska.....could an arbitrator consider a 737-900 the same as a B767? I mean, if Delta ALPA considers a 737-900ER equal to a 767-300ER, then what does that do for us in an arbitrated ISL situation?
IOW, if we merge with say....Alaska.....could an arbitrator consider a 737-900 the same as a B767? I mean, if Delta ALPA considers a 737-900ER equal to a 767-300ER, then what does that do for us in an arbitrated ISL situation?
You did say you wanted the A321 to pay what the B757 pays, but I wasn't sure if you addressed the integration part.
I didn't say I want the 321 to pay what the 757 pays...putting words in my mouth again. DL successfully argued that every 757/767 slot was a widebody slot in the DL/NW SLI. We are losing that leverage no matter what with the parking of the older 757s and replacing them with 737s and Airbii. What we can at least do now is have the 321 pay more than the 739, thus getting a boost like DL got with the 757/767 above the NW narrobody fleets. That is critical leverage in an SLI with a 737 operator!
09-04-2013, 10:10 AM
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From what's highlighted in red, I assumed you meant you think the A321 should pay more then the B757. My apologies for the misinterpretation.
EDIT: I see where the misunderstanding is. I mistakenly typed this:
You did say you wanted the A321 to pay what the B757 pays,
When I meant to type this:
You did say you wanted the A321 to pay MORE then what the B757 pays,
Sorry again.
DL successfully argued that every 757/767 slot was a widebody slot in the DL/NW SLI. We are losing that leverage no matter what with the parking of the older 757s and replacing them with 737s and Airbii. What we can at least do now is have the 321 pay more than the 739, thus getting a boost like DL got with the 757/767 above the NW narrobody fleets. That is critical leverage in an SLI with a 737 operator!
Thanks for the answer.
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