Originally Posted by tsquare

Seriously. This place is all about opinion. I just want to hear a logical reason as to why those of you that are so determined to see the survey results think it will be beneficial. Your answer was a personal attack, and nothing more. Since it is an opinion, I'll give you mine as to why I think it unimportant: It will serve no purpose other than to satisfy personal "logic" as to whether or not dALPA is an effective representative. I say it that way because you would have no way of knowing the "why" that things turned out the way they did. It would be like having a picture of a turnip and saying that you know exactly where the earth is in it's orbit. Wouldn't it be better to affect things that you can truly influence rather than continually worry about those that you can't? This kind of attitude keeps us stuck in the mud rather than moving forward, and I am not just picking on you Elvis. Calling others that don't buy into Caplinger's logic gets one called a "cheerleader" or "apologist". His vendetta against all those that don't agree with his desire to torpedo fNWA and now DAL by default is very successful. qoud erat demonstratum.


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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

They are all NexGens. Delta (via Mesaba/Pinnacle/Endeavor/Chococherrygarcia flavor-of-the-day) was the launch customer.

Originally Posted by TheWagman

FTB... Last estimate I heard from an analyst was 2.3 billion net...

Originally Posted by Elvis90

20% profit sharing kicks in at $2.5 billion, correct? That's an amazing figure for an airline.

Originally Posted by TheWagman

FTB... Last estimate I heard from an analyst was 2.3 billion net...

Originally Posted by Elvis90

I don't think I've called anyone a "cheerleader" or "apologist", nor have I used the epithet "donut". TC and DPA aside, I can be critical of our own union's shortcomings. I think honesty and integrity are the most important aspect of any organization, whether a company or a union. I think as scambo has suggested, the survey results would demonstrate how far our contract fell short of expectations. The original reason for not making the results public was that we were in negotiations. We're well past that now. I would have far more respect for our union if they simply showed us the results, and stated perhaps that our initial goals were out of reach for any representative organization. My intent was not to disparage you BTW - I'm opinionated as well and am glad to see a variety of opinions here.

Originally Posted by johnso29

Perhaps DALPA intends to use those survey results for 2015 as well?

Originally Posted by finis72

FWIW in regards to the survey; the final results (TA) will always fall short of the survey in all areas. The survey is our wish list from which our negotiators negotiate.