Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1490715)

Alright, since we're talking block hours I wanted to go back to this post from a few days ago (mind you it's discussing the 76-seater problem and not NRT) but that ain't no thing:



Okay, here's a question about that ^^

Say you have 50 763ERs flying 1 leg per day that's 8.1 +/- 0 hours per day, how many pilots do you by rule need flying the jets? Now let's increase the block hours by a random number like 46.914% or 47%. It'd be an increase of 69,000 block hours per year, 190 per day and it works out to be 11.9 +/- 0 hours per day/leg/crew. How many pilots do you need? So a 47% increase in block hours per day and per year yield... 0 additional pilots needed. So while a 47% increase in block hours gave you a 0 increase in pilots required, 1 jet gave you an increase of 2%. If it was Delta staffing a 765, it'd be like 25 pilots per jet. 1 jet matters.

But all of a sudden the 2012 crowd is smarter than the 2008 crowd and block hour ratios trumps fleet count. Unless you're trying to get me to vote yes on TA 2012, then 88 717s = 1000-1400 pilot jobs no matter how many block hours they fly but at the same time fleet counts don't matter just block hours or...

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1490695)

Which must be why we are growing pilot wise?

Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1490722)

er, um gee, anyway we could get this post pulled quickly?

88 717's do equate to that many pilot POSITIONS, just not additional jobs. Details, details.

Originally Posted by jabwmu (Post 1490536)

This is 4th month this summer I've flown over guarantee (without greenslips). Six years on reserve I've never gone over guarantee once. Thank you C2012 and AVL + 15

Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog (Post 1490725)

We aren't growing yet. Thusfar we've only been told we're planning on growing. When I see blue suits and red ties on VA Avenue, I may think otherwise. At this point, all I've seen is bypass guys senior to me coming back (Not complaining... happy to see them coming back) Today all I see is an LOA that leads to less Delta pilots flying Delta passengers being unconvincingly sold as a "win". I also see a significant change to the bedrock section of our CBA that was signed, sealed, and delivered with zero input from the average line pilot. Even if we do hire, which I think we will, I firmly believe this LOA will eventually shrink our seniority list. I went back and looked at my last paycheck from 2012. My ALPA dues were $1950.33. At least now I know what the exact price of failure is.

I waited until I read the LOA, like you suggested to another poster. I've renewed my card. I think most of us are sick and tired of listening to failures at the negotiating table being passed off as wins while we are patted on the head and told to trust the people who know what's best for us.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1490734)

Why don't you explain how this LOA leads to less Delta pilots flying less Delta passengers?

Also, according to the bid monitor report the number of pilots required at our airline went from 9081 with 10,579 pilots in category (16.5% above required) in January 2013 to 9933, with 10,542 pilots in category (6.1% above required). That's an increase of 852 pilots required in 9 months.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1490715)

Alright, since we're talking block hours I wanted to go back to this post from a few days ago (mind you it's discussing the 76-seater problem and not NRT) but that ain't no thing:



Okay, here's a question about that ^^

Say you have 50 763ERs flying 1 leg per day that's 8.1 +/- 0 hours per day, how many pilots do you by rule need flying the jets per day?Now let's increase the block hours by a random number like 46.914% or 47%. It'd be an increase of 69,000 block hours per year, 190 per day and it works out to be 11.9 +/- 0 hours per day/leg/crew. How many pilots do you need?So a 47% increase in block hours per day and per year yields... 0 additional pilots needed.

Okay, how about this, how about add 1 additional jet, to the fleet of 50, flying 8.1 +/- 0 hours per year. How many pilots do you need at a minimum now?So while a 47% increase in block hours gave you a 0 increase in pilots required, 1 jet gave you an increase of 2%. If it was Delta staffing a 765, it'd be like 25 pilots per jet. 1 jet matters.

But all of a sudden the 2012 crowd is smarter than the 2008 crowd and block hour ratios trumps fleet count. Unless you're trying to get me to vote yes on TA 2012, then 88 717s = 1000-1400 pilot jobs no matter how many block hours they fly but at the same time fleet counts don't matter just block hours, please standby as we twist ourselves into a

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1490748)

Seriously, you are not going to stand on that analysis, are you? Do you want a chance to go back and check your work or should I just rip that apart now?

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1490734)

Why don't you explain how this LOA leads to less Delta pilots flying less Delta passengers?

Also, according to the bid monitor report the number of pilots required at our airline went from 9081 with 10,579 pilots in category (16.5% above required) in January 2013 to 9933, with 10,542 pilots in category (6.1% above required). That's an increase of 852 pilots required in 9 months.