Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1490793)

I still can't believe something as significant as this LOA isn't being put out for memrat. That is terrible.

Less than pleased with the 85% thing, too... I'm interested to see the document promoting... er...marketing...er... giving me details on it. ;)

Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog (Post 1490788)

What's a VFD? Come to think of it, what's a 717?

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1490802)

VFD = Very Frustrating Device.

Goes along with the systems thumb drive I was sent that was empty, which fine, I wasn't supposed to get a systems "CD".

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1490695)

I believe block hours are a key component in our contractual staffing formula.



Which must be why we are growing pilot wise?

Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1490682)

Curious as to why 4 reps would find this not satisfactory, being so great and all. You would think it would have been a slam dunk.

Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog (Post 1490807)

I hear it flies itself, so you should be fine. It's the latest reduction in the "training footprint"

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1490715)

Alright, since we're talking block hours I wanted to go back to this post from a few days ago (mind you it's discussing the 76-seater problem and not NRT) but that ain't no thing:



Okay, here's a question about that ^^

Say you have 50 763ERs flying 1 leg per day that's 8.1 +/- 0 hours per day, how many pilots do you by rule need flying the jets per day?Now let's increase the block hours by a random number like 46.914% or 47%. It'd be an increase of 69,000 block hours per year, 190 per day and it works out to be 11.9 +/- 0 hours per day/leg/crew. How many pilots do you need?So a 47% increase in block hours per day and per year yields... 0 additional pilots needed.

Okay, how about this, how about add 1 additional jet, to the fleet of 50, flying 8.1 +/- 0 hours per year. How many pilots do you need at a minimum now?So while a 47% increase in block hours gave you a 0 increase in pilots required, 1 jet gave you an increase of 2%. If it was Delta staffing a 765, it'd be like 25 pilots per jet. 1 jet matters.

But all of a sudden the 2012 crowd is smarter than the 2008 crowd and block hour ratios trumps fleet count. Unless you're trying to get me to vote yes on TA 2012, then 88 717s = 1000-1400 pilot jobs no matter how many block hours they fly but at the same time fleet counts don't matter just block hours, please standby as we twist ourselves into a

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HND ++++

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1490766)

I'm not trying to talk about the alternative. Just when you read the loa, ask yourself "is that true?" On each sentence and thought.

Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog (Post 1490777)

Forget it..

Johnso29 wants hard numbers that don't exist (we have to pass to LOA to find out what's in the LOA) and I'm trying to argue that this LOA represents a fundamental change to our union's scope philosophy that's going to continue to bite us in the ass for the rest of our careers. I'll be back this weekend. At this point, my main worry is that my DVR doesn't have the space to keep up with my absence from the 61 hour Breaking Bad marathon.