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09-12-2009, 07:37 AM
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We're techically "Burnt Orange" but honestly, everyone knows who the real Orange is 
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09-12-2009, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
How are you going to walk in and demand C2K + 30%? Do you even want to do that considering the history above?
I believe we have to find different ways. I don't know what they are, but I'm tired of seeing this repetitive pattern of failure.
I believe we have to find different ways. I don't know what they are, but I'm tired of seeing this repetitive pattern of failure.
ugh, never mind.
09-12-2009, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
We're techically "Burnt Orange" but honestly, everyone knows who the real Orange is 
09-12-2009, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
OK.. help me with the math here. We took a 46% paycut in BK. A 30% pay increase doubles the payrates again... how?? KY public school system here, but that dog don't hunt. And you did say payrates... see your above quote. As far as the RLA... I don't know.. And maybe it's frustration, but we don't have to wait 3 years to have an impasse declared.
The actual paycut was 32.5% followed by a 14% cut. Here's the sample math.
Example C2K rate=$200/hr
LOA46 is C2k-32.5%=$135/hr
LOA50 is LOA46-14%=$116.10/hr
C2K rate + 30% increase = $260/hr
To get from LOA 50 rates to C2K is 123% increase from LOA 50 bankruptcy rates. If memory serves me correctly, since LOA 50 we've had three increases (1/1/07 and 1/1/08 of 1.5% and 1/1/09 of 5%, plus one 6% profit sharing check not included in rates), so the current adjusted rate would be $125.60. That's 37.2% below C2K. There are 4% raises scheduled for 2010/11/12, plus 1% DC increases in each of those years. In most categories these payrates place us above or nearly equal to our pax airline peers for like equipment (LUV excepted). Only 2 passenger airlines ever came close to C2K rates (UAL and AAA), and both had them for a substantially shorter period of time. The "pattern" never caught up at the rest of the pax airlines.
All this was done from memory, so please forgive any errors! I'll correct them if they're pointed out.
09-12-2009, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Duuuuuuude! Those darn shorts are really in the way!
09-12-2009, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
It's EASY. You just walk in there and DEMAND it. Just like the APA and the USAir East guys do......
ugh, never mind.
ugh, never mind.
I relinquish this discussion. Last word is yours.
09-12-2009, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
On a more serious note, Who's ready for Football today??
09-12-2009, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Interesting historical perspective. .... And I take it from your post that you feel that we will never see any true restoration within our collective lifetimes. OK.. thanks... I don't know who you are, but I hope you will not be negotiating our next contract. Nothing personal.
If you think you can get to a sustainable C2K plus by using the practices of the past, I hope you will not be the architect of our strategy. Nothing personal!
Oh, and you misrepresent my point of view. I said we have to find a way to extract sustainable value...I'm neither a surrender monkey nor a chest thumper. I'm a realist that is currently undercompensated for the services I provide.
09-12-2009, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Quit posting pics of my wife!
09-12-2009, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
If I remember correctly, you're an architect by training. Can you build a beautiful building without a foundation?
If you think you can get to a sustainable C2K plus by using the practices of the past, I hope you will not be the architect of our strategy. Nothing personal!
Oh, and you misrepresent my point of view. I said we have to find a way to extract sustainable value...I'm neither a surrender monkey nor a chest thumper. I'm a realist that is currently undercompensated for the services I provide.
If you think you can get to a sustainable C2K plus by using the practices of the past, I hope you will not be the architect of our strategy. Nothing personal!
Oh, and you misrepresent my point of view. I said we have to find a way to extract sustainable value...I'm neither a surrender monkey nor a chest thumper. I'm a realist that is currently undercompensated for the services I provide.
I could say the same about SJS. With out a solid foundation on the bottom (read one that is a hard line, not one that is in the sand that keeps moving) how can we have a contract that is sustainable to long term pressures. We need to shore up that foundation. I agree that getting a 76+ seat jet here at mainline, a public commitment from the union that it will not be outsourced, or the company stating that the jet will come to mainline will go a long way to doing this.
The historical perspective that the bottom keep coming up is one we have to deal with. Push down, or hold the line, either way we need a victory to show where we determine the bottom is. (Read solid foundation on which to build a strong contract in which we can maintain though good times and bad)
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