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We aren't required to check 9 hours prior on the last x day anymore? Usually 3pm if you go on call at midnight.

I understand the 117 10 hr/ company conflict issue but why does that remove the 9 hr check?

Thanks.

Denny Crane

12-30-2013 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1549416)

Man, Buzz and I will need to start a new "frienemies" thread!

Go 9ers!

Maybe Cinci will jump in and melt the cheese heads with me!:D

Ahhh Yes, but the road to the Super Bowl goes thru Seattle!!!!:D

Denny

GogglesPisano

12-30-2013 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jabwmu (Post 1549441)

117 prohibits the certificate holder from requiring a crewmember from performing any duty during a rest period.

jabwmu

12-30-2013 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1549455)

117 prohibits the certificate holder from requiring a crewmember from performing any duty during a rest period.

Wow, missed that. Thanks for the info.

Scoop

12-30-2013 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1549348)

Lol. You took my words different than I used them. San to Slc just as a single leg flight has only delta serving it w 3 mainline and 2 dci. I meant that leg was touchy. Wasn't including driving elsewhere or tapping phx or las.
And I intended the Dtw comment to be understood as "long flight w 4 mainline which isn't great but it's not impossible". That's my def of doable lol.
Between them all my advice is north county of San Diego and go for lax first then Slc then Dtw. I think I read ur comments and agreed w them. U gots to upgrade ur Internet commuter leetspeak lolz.

Roadkill,

Not a big deal, but your flight frequencies are incorrect. SAN-DTW is going down to two mainline flights a day. SAN-SLC is mostly 4 with sometimes 3 and sometimes 5 mainline.

Like you said we are both giving the same basic advice and I think he will able to hold LAX pretty soon. :)

Scoop

Flamer

12-30-2013 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jabwmu (Post 1549456)

Wow, missed that. Thanks for the info.

This is exactly what I am talking about. The need for a detailed game plan until negotiations are completed and a new "when scheduling calls" is penned.

Check Essential

12-30-2013 08:05 AM

Long call is basically voluntary starting January 1.
No one ever has to acknowledge a trip until three hours prior to report and that means you cannot fly that trip. You can choose to acknowledge more than 10 hours prior if you wish, but no one is required to do so. It's strictly voluntary.
Management cannot rewrite our contract by issuing memos. If they want to clarify or change the long call provisions contained in our contract then they must either negotiate with ALPA or dock somebody's paycheck and force a grievance.
Until then they will just have to cover their open time using short call reserves, white slips and green slips.

XtremeF150

12-30-2013 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1549474)

Long call is basically voluntary starting January 1.
No one ever has to acknowledge a trip until three hours prior to report and that means you cannot fly that trip. You can choose to acknowledge more than 10 hours prior if you wish, but no one is required to do so.
Management cannot rewrite our contract by issuing memos. If they want to clarify or change the long call provisions contained in our contract then they must either negotiate with ALPA or dock somebody's paycheck and force a grievance.
Until then they will just have to cover their open time using short call reserves, white slips and green slips.

Well, at least they have that 7th SC now. I'm sure those will be used.

flyallnite

12-30-2013 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1549474)

Long call is basically voluntary starting January 1.
No one ever has to acknowledge a trip until three hours prior to report and that means you cannot fly that trip. You can choose to acknowledge more than 10 hours prior if you wish, but no one is required to do so.
Management cannot rewrite our contract by issuing memos. If they want to clarify or change the long call provisions contained in our contract then they must either negotiate with ALPA or dock somebody's paycheck and force a grievance.
Until then they will just have to cover their open time using short call reserves, white slips and green slips.

That's how I see it. There isn't any need to clarify anything. The contract and WSC still applies, and the new FAR's, while not optional, do not change our contract any more than a memo. Proceed as usual until a change in the contract is negotiated and mind the FAR's.

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