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scambo1 12-29-2013 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by MrBojangles (Post 1549267)
exactly..i wish alpa would just come out and say what we HAVE to do on reserve. I guess this is because they're still negotiating. they'll probably reach some secret agreement tomorrow and then we will have some more of the PWA taken away.

Assuming that's not the case, have any of you int'l guys figured out the best way to play this new fog and friction?
Is it best to bid reserve with the off days on the front end and try to roll some thunder?
Or, is it better to try GSWC?
The money's obviously better GSWC, but it's so far down the coverage priority, I'm looking for success, not hope...
Ideas?

Flamer 12-29-2013 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1549241)
You aren't really grasping the crux of the question, and ALPA hasn't been as explicit as many of us would like.

Bottom line is this. We already know that the last day-off schedule check is gone as of Dec 31. If a pilot is on reserve Jan 1 he or she starts long call at midnight. Here is the central issue. Right now, contractually that pilot can remove himself from all contact with the company at midnight, so long as he checks his schedule NLT 0900, in a using a most-conservative assumption that exactly at midnight scheduling assigned a trip with a 1200 report--and contractually a reserve must acknowledge a trip assignment NLT 3 hours prior to report.

Steve Dickson is trying to decree by memo that that provision of the contract really doesn't apply any more due to FAR 117. ALPA certainly disagrees. So...what is a reserve who goes on long call at midnight on Jan 1 supposed to assume in terms of his contact obligation? Explicit and specific guidance would be welcome.

Thank you. Yes, I know the rules. I'm just wondering why they have not been exactly laid out to the line pilot. It is simple, and disastrous to the company if everyone knew it to be factual. If they told everyone to acknowledge 3 hours prior, and no earlier, it could be a big deal.

GunshipGuy 12-29-2013 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by MrBojangles (Post 1549267)
exactly..i wish alpa would just come out and say what we HAVE to do on reserve. I guess this is because they're still negotiating. they'll probably reach some secret agreement tomorrow and then we will have some more of the PWA taken away.

It wouldn't hurt ALPA to do exactly as you describe. Put it in plain English:

This is what you had to do before FAR 117

This is still what you have to do. This is what you don't have to do.

SD put out an all pilots memo which in effect stated "This is what you have to do now, and I don't care what our contract says."

You would think ALPA would have had enough time now to have formed an appropriate response. Well, I guess in their minds they have. But it is awfully weak, IMO.

My impression at this point: SD laid it down and dared ALPA to be as brazen as he was. And brazen in his mind and ALPA's mind would be to simply state the outright facts as spelled out in the contract and how SD's decree does not agree with the PWA. But his assessment, apparently at this point, was right on the money: ALPA won't go toe to toe. ALPA has done enough to check the box but not in a way to upset the apple cart of harmony. Had ALPA spelled it out for all reserves the company would be sweating buckets. As Flamer pointed out, this is capital that is being squandered. Why? There has to be a reason. I know, I know, I need to volunteer my time so I can "understand the process."

MrBojangles 12-29-2013 09:29 PM

they're probably really sweating after the christmas we just had. i bet there will be a ton more green slips going out. good thing we didn't hire

Roadkill 12-29-2013 10:20 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1548947)
Roadkill,

I don't understand your logic. So DTW with only 2 long mainline flights a day is "definitely doable." And yet SLC with 3-4 much shorter Mainline flights along with a few DCI flights, with the option of Driving to Orange county(more mainline), and SWA through LAS/PHX as a back-up is "touchy?"

Unelss you are flying the 737 in SLC and Frank would be senior to you I don't quite get it. :D

Scoop

Lol. You took my words different than I used them. San to Slc just as a single leg flight has only delta serving it w 3 mainline and 2 dci. I meant that leg was touchy. Wasn't including driving elsewhere or tapping phx or las.
And I intended the Dtw comment to be understood as "long flight w 4 mainline which isn't great but it's not impossible". That's my def of doable lol.
Between them all my advice is north county of San Diego and go for lax first then Slc then Dtw. I think I read ur comments and agreed w them. U gots to upgrade ur Internet commuter leetspeak lolz.

tsquare 12-30-2013 04:00 AM


Originally Posted by trlaketige (Post 1549240)
His "uniform" hat is a helmet.


Tr

yeah but he still wears it.... I would think one would want to get out of that thing at every opportunity.

tsquare 12-30-2013 04:02 AM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1549247)
Cutler sucks.



Vandy grad. 'nuff siad.


VFL

formerdal 12-30-2013 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1549270)
Assuming that's not the case, have any of you int'l guys figured out the best way to play this new fog and friction?
Is it best to bid reserve with the off days on the front end and try to roll some thunder?
Or, is it better to try GSWC?
The money's obviously better GSWC, but it's so far down the coverage priority, I'm looking for success, not hope...
Ideas?

Actually GSWC pays the same as rolling thunder. It pays the trip you fly and the trip that was conflicted both at single pay. Just no credit on the one you pick up. We lost double time on the picked up trip a looong time ago....

forgot to bid 12-30-2013 04:41 AM


Originally Posted by MrBojangles (Post 1549334)
they're probably really sweating after the christmas we just had. i bet there will be a ton more green slips going out. good thing we didn't hire

Blame it on the rai...

http://jansaviation.com/img/news/delta-717.jpg

and say continue as normal.

that's what I'm afraid is going to be the end result, let's hope they opt for hiring large classes indefinitely. Can I get an amen?

FmrFreightDog 12-30-2013 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1549380)
Vandy grad. 'nuff siad.


VFL

Well now.. Who's still playing football in January and who isn't?
:):):)

But, yes, Cutler sucks.


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