Sorry, I've been talking about what we currently have, not what I'd rather have in the future.As the PWA stands right now, the NLT 3 hour wording is absolutely important - as it's the only actual limitation for reserve acknowledgement that we CURRENTLY have. Having said that, I think I get where you're coming from - what you propose is a solution to the problem (19 hour call out, 9 hour leash). A solution that I agree with, BTW. But, it's a solution that will require a change to the PWA. And as far as any proposed changes go, you're right, it's the 9 hour leash absolutely needs to be protected, not the NLT 3. Sorry if we've been talking in circles :)

Well we are the highest paid because we are the best, no?

I mean in may be my opinion only but I think all of the pilots on this forum rock. They should be well paid and they should, as always, demand clarity from our company and our union contract folks to ensure whatever we are doing we are doing correctly. Right now, I'm confused and my hands have a lot of butter on them from the popcorn I'm eating waiting for a real solution.

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No we don't sailingfud. SWA pilots make much, much more than Delta pilots as well as our European JV "partners." But that's not the point. The point is that you're back with the Fear Uncertainty Doubt campaign and advocating a weak response from us after having been kicked in the teeth by management.

I admire any real union. I'm a union guy at heart. That's why I don't like the pretend union we have in DALPA. You're thrilled with the pretend union. I get that. Some of us aren't.

Carl

[QUOTE=Carl Spackler;1550241]No we don't sailingfud. SWA pilots make much, much more than Delta pilots as well as our European JV "partners." But that's not the point. The point is that you're back with the Fear Uncertainty Doubt campaign and advocating a weak response from us after having been kicked in the teeth by management.

Carl, SWA pilots in 2012 on average made less then Delta pilots. Overall block hour costs were substantially higher at Delta. Small Narrow body block hour costs were higher then SWA. In 2013 we recieved a average 10 percent increase in rates over 2012 not even counting the increase in reserve pay. When the 2013 numbers come out we will be way ahead of SWA.
I know DALPA is a epic fail for you. Let look at how horrible they have performed for you personally. At the time of the merger if you credited 1044 hours you made about 185,800 a year. Tomorrow your will make 329,500 dollars in total compensation based on the same 1044 hours. Your new total pay rate is just under 316.00 a hour with the DC plan.
Total raise since the merger a miserable 144,000 a year or 12,000 a month.
I am not even factoring in that at the time of the merger each contract ended up crediting both pilots groups with about the same number of credit hours. With the reserve changes we now credit even more hours on average. I know 144,000 a year in improvements is not much. Those hardline airlines like AMR did so much better!

If you are going from an x day to your first on call day, per the new SD memo and 117 the earliest you can report for a trip or short call is now noon base time, unless you put a yellow slip in. That happened in my category, reserves available but trips that check in before noon.

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Sailing - 0

AU Delta charter hosed in MGM!
 

Here ya go Awbern fans. Big turn out for the Team's sendoff today, over 1000 folks!

Smart Player

Pretty cool getting "hosed", pulling for AU & SEC!

ps we'll get yall next year! :)

Hoser,

Happy New Year

Hoser

Coming off an x-day, why is the earliest you can go out noon now? What about the 3pm schedule check on your last non-fly day. They can't use that anymore?

Me calling you out on making things up is why you left last time. Let's not start that again shall we? SWA pilots on average make FAR more than Delta pilots. FAR more. I know you know this, but you seem to take it as your job to spin heavily for management/DALPA. Why do you do this?

Average SWA captains make what I make or more. That's a fact. And ALL of their captains make that...not just the few 744/777 captains we have here at Delta.

No we won't. But you'll certainly spin it that way by comparing me to SWA captains and say that proves ALL Delta pilots make more than SWA pilots. This is bordering on a flat out lie sailingfud...just like your last lie about what management was demanding during C2012 negotiations.

Carl