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Old 01-22-2014 | 04:24 AM
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Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. I always liked that place.
Old 01-22-2014 | 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That was landing... you can see them come in, touch down, balloon back up in the air, then right back down sharply.

There was something like a 30 knot tailwind down the valley for the landing.
I fly the challenger 604, I believe that was a 601, but the same wing which is very critical. If in fact they were coming in with a 30 kt tail wind I'm amazed that they were even able to keep that thing in the air to make it to the runway. Not saying that there wasnt a tailwind cause you can def see the snow blowing in the direction of a tailwind. I had heard they tried to go around but looking at that video they touched down. Either way scary video
Old 01-22-2014 | 04:38 AM
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I've never been into Aspen, is there a reason (terrain?) they could not circle to land opposite direction, i.e. with a 25kt headwind vs. tailwind?
Old 01-22-2014 | 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I've never been into Aspen, is there a reason (terrain?) they could not circle to land opposite direction, i.e. with a 25kt headwind vs. tailwind?
Its in a bowl. One way in and one way out, land 15 takeoff 33 due to terrain. The trouble with aspen is that the weather can change pretty quick. We go to Eagle for that reason. Was in EGE that following weekend

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Old 01-22-2014 | 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by fisherpilot
Its in a bowl. One way in and one way out, land 33 take off 15 due to terrain. The trouble with aspen is that the weather can change pretty quick. We go to Eagle for that reason. Was in EGE that following weekend
How long is the runway? I don't think there's a runway long enough to make me want to land with a 25kt tailwind! Never mind our 10kt limit.

I guess if I were out of gas or on fire and that was the only pavement available I'd consider it....but what were these guys thinking? Was there an emergency or were they unaware of the winds? (no ATIS, tower closed, etc?)
Old 01-22-2014 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. I always liked that place.
I got back in at MB's place in Howard Beach $250 per month. Easy on the Air Train. The pics on the Oasis site look bad.
Old 01-22-2014 | 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That was landing... you can see them come in, touch down, balloon back up in the air, then right back down sharply.

There was something like a 30 knot tailwind down the valley for the landing.
Looked like a bounce, a porpoise on to the nose and then launched back in the air, but then a rejected go around?
Old 01-22-2014 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by fisherpilot
Its in a bowl. One way in and one way out, land 15 takeoff 33 due to terrain. The trouble with aspen is that the weather can change pretty quick. We go to Eagle for that reason. Was in EGE that following weekend
I just saw there is an entire thread on this incident under Safety. Here's a post I copied that gives more detail:

Having been in there many times, I have seen some airplanes circle into 33, including a G5. However, I can tell you that you better be very familiar with every undulation of the terrain around there, and even then, the weather needs to be very VFR. The reason it's a circling approach is because of the descent rate required (greater than 400 ft/nm to from the FAF to the pavement). That doesn't preclude you from landing straight in, it's just the TERPS criteria. At my previous operator, we couldn't continue the approach past the FAF unless we had the field in sight due to the lack of performance in case of a missed approach.
Also, in order to depart on 15, you are supposed to sign a waiver and have it on file with the tower.
Old 01-22-2014 | 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
How long is the runway? I don't think there's a runway long enough to make me want to land with a 25kt tailwind! Never mind our 10kt limit.

I guess if I were out of gas or on fire and that was the only pavement available I'd consider it....but what were these guys thinking? Was there an emergency or were they unaware of the winds? (no ATIS, tower closed, etc?)
Timbo, I got the two runways turned around...... (Long day yesterday and still recouping). The challenger has a 10 kt tailwind limitation. You land to the southeast and takeoff to the nnorthwest. Problem is you cant circle due to the
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Old 01-22-2014 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Looked like a bounce, a porpoise on to the nose and then launched back in the air, but then a rejected go around?
Or they landed and bounced when the tail wind was only 15, then got a 30kt gust during the bounce, instantly stalled and came right back down. Either way, very ugly! They had already done one go around. Why they came back for another try is beyond me.
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