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Old 01-25-2014, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by filejw View Post
I remember flying with Marine who did a tour in a fighter of some type then had to go back and did 6 more months in a helicopter. His through process was " after being shot at in Vietnam for 6 months what could they possibly do to me here."

Those guys saw a lot. They weren't much for going around spouting off rules. Guys like that usually ended in a bad way. If you did something that jeopardized their happy place in the cockpit, the worst I ever got was along the lines of "I'm considering removing you from my Christmas card list". Best people to have around when the going got tough... it's nice to look across the cockpit and see the skipper has clearly seen a lot worse. I always figured if one of those guys started sweating things, we were probably goners.

It sure was a pleasure to fly with them. I feel sorry for the guys who have to hold on so tight to the program that they make everyone miserable. It's too fun a job to mess it up with petty nit picking, but that's not to say that we shouldn't be detail oriented; I've just seen a lot of guys miss the big threat because they are concerned about some BS data entry.

I do know some guys heading to the 717A. They are loving it. Good program staffed by good gents also. INTNL isn't what it was 5 years ago. It's a lot more of the same old same old, gets boring. It's a great jet, like a mini 757 only better avionics for the most part. You get to fly a lot, and your W2 is going to be far better looking at the end of the year, along with the profit check and 401K. Plus you get to fly with your favorite captain every trip. 88 of them is a lot of jets. We have about as many 737's right now in the fleet, and you see them everywhere. So I expect more bases for the 717.
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Old 01-25-2014, 10:31 AM
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Default Applies to pilots as well....

After our "permanent reset" as Ed often proclaims to the street, this would seem to apply to us as well.

"Keep the back pack on - stay humble - don't get greedy."

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Old 01-25-2014, 10:56 AM
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Is Deltanet down? Haven't been able to get in for an hour.
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Old 01-25-2014, 10:57 AM
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After our "permanent reset" as Ed often proclaims to the street, this would seem to apply to us as well.

"Keep the back pack on - stay humble - don't get greedy."

Eric Schmidt On Inequality... - Business Insider
Bravo!

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Old 01-25-2014, 11:26 AM
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The point that Purple is bringing up is the fact that by decreasing our two most limiting months (manning wise) from 31-30 days was an instant 3.3% productivity gain for the company.

We realize that this will lessen the over-staffing in the winter, but the bottom line is that this was a huge productivity increase for the company.

Our manning was dictated by our most demanding months, July and August. Both have been decreased by 1 day and now March, still at 31 days is our most limiting month.
Mostly true. As I recall, the increase in productivity was said to be partially offset by the increase in vacation and CQ training pay and the changes to the staffing formula. Specifically, the ALV/bid period changes were said to result in a staffing reduction of 300 pilots and the changes to the staffing formula and vacation and CQ training pay were said to result in a staffing increase of 175 pilots, for a net decrease of 125 bodies in 2015, assuming a static fleet.

However, I believe that March is, and always has been, a 30-day bid period (March 2-31). I have seen nothing to suggest that it will be our most limiting month, other than some press from the Company suggesting that March will have as much domestic flying as July. If we see narrow body ALVs in the 80's next month, then the press will be proven to have been correct. If we continue to see ALVs in the low 70's as they are in February, then I will be forced to respectfully disagree.
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Old 01-25-2014, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite View Post
Those guys saw a lot. They weren't much for going around spouting off rules. Guys like that usually ended in a bad way. If you did something that jeopardized their happy place in the cockpit, the worst I ever got was along the lines of "I'm considering removing you from my Christmas card list". Best people to have around when the going got tough... it's nice to look across the cockpit and see the skipper has clearly seen a lot worse. I always figured if one of those guys started sweating things, we were probably goners.

It sure was a pleasure to fly with them. I feel sorry for the guys who have to hold on so tight to the program that they make everyone miserable. It's too fun a job to mess it up with petty nit picking, but that's not to say that we shouldn't be detail oriented; I've just seen a lot of guys miss the big threat because they are concerned about some BS data entry.
I was trying to do the math, any chance of a Vietnam guy still being at Delta?

The American side of the war ended in 1973 and there are 16 guys hired prior to 1977, 131 guys hired prior to 1980, 260 are 1981 or earlier.

Is it possible?
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Old 01-25-2014, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite View Post
I do know some guys heading to the 717A. They are loving it. Good program staffed by good gents also.
And damn good FOs.

And damn good LCA.
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Old 01-25-2014, 12:00 PM
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Mostly true. As I recall, the increase in productivity was said to be partially offset by the increase in vacation and CQ training pay and the changes to the staffing formula. Specifically, the ALV/bid period changes were said to result in a staffing reduction of 300 pilots and the changes to the staffing formula and vacation and CQ training pay were said to result in a staffing increase of 175 pilots, for a net decrease of 125 bodies in 2015, assuming a static fleet.

However, I believe that March is, and always has been, a 30-day bid period (March 2-31). I have seen nothing to suggest that it will be our most limiting month, other than some press from the Company suggesting that March will have as much domestic flying as July. If we see narrow body ALVs in the 80's next month, then the press will be proven to have been correct. If we continue to see ALVs in the low 70's as they are in February, then I will be forced to respectfully disagree.
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You are incorrect in assuming alv will still go up in heavy months as an indicator. New paradigm now. Look at jul and aug last year. New best method by company is low alv wih min lineholders resulting in max numbers of guys on reserve who you can pay thusly low. Ur fly to alv+15 without their consent. Much better for comp than old method and results in less total pilot pay.
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Old 01-25-2014, 12:07 PM
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I usually reserve telling people I flew at Continental Express until the very end, and even then I just say yes, yes I was there, and then stare out the window.
Hey, at least yours had the toilet in the correct end of the machine! You were so totally Air Force in yours. We were like the Marines under McNamara.

And your initial type ride did not include the question, "explain the differences in the electrical system between the initial, modified and modified-post-modified design?"

What does this mean?
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Can you explain what the least selector valve does?

What part of the airplane is constructed as a high density beer cooler with a kevlar wrapper?

Do you still want to say "CONFIRM FEATHER!!!" on V1 cuts?

Still love my little old lady who asked, "Son, is your airplane on fire?"

Can you believe SkyWest still operates that thing?
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Old 01-25-2014, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
Hey, at least yours had the toilet in the correct end of the machine! You were so totally Air Force in yours. We were like the Marines under McNamara.

And your initial type ride did not include the question, "explain the differences in the electrical system between the initial, modified and modified-post-modified design?"

What does this mean?
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Can you explain what the least selector valve does?

What part of the airplane is constructed as a high density beer cooler with a kevlar wrapper?

Do you still want to say "CONFIRM FEATHER!!!" on V1 cuts?

Still love my little old lady who asked, "Son, is your airplane on fire?"

Can you believe SkyWest still operates that thing?
Now I don't drink, but thanks to you, I will.

How about "we'll single engine taxi out today..."

We only extended full flaps when at an airport that necessitated it and then only at 500'. Remember how well those flaps worked?

Why were my best landings in the thing when we landed with one engine out?

Please explain the prop. I never understood it.

Why is it when people tell me the MD-88 was the hardest seat, I kind of scoffed?

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