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Old 08-20-2013, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
quick question, 1 for 2 rules?
Section 12.K.

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Duty Period Credit (“1 for 2”)

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30 1. A pilot who reports for duty will be guaranteed a minimum duty period credit. Such
31 credit will be calculated on the greater of scheduled or actual duty time, prorated on a
32 minute-by-minute basis, for each duty period, as follows:
33 a. one hour credit for ever
y two hours of duty time from 0600 to 2200 (pilot’s base

34 time), and
35 b. one hour credit for every one and three quarters hours of duty time,
36 1)
from 2200 to 0600 (pilot’s base time), or

37 2) from 2200 to release
from a duty period that includes 0359 (pilot’s base time).
38 2. A pilot who is granted a personal drop for a duty period(s) or portion thereof, will not be

39 eligible for duty period credit for such duty period(s).
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid View Post
you know what makes me mad? the thought that pilots who get one of those red A Job Well Done cards from a frequent flier would turn those in for personal gain?!? No. You take those home and you keep them to remind you of who matters most and not go sniveling to the CPOs for some personal gain.

I mean if I did that Id have to turn in 10-12 of those per trip. And that's just for a 2 day trip. But I dont. Fly right people, fly right.

/posting on Delta provided tablet practice
I always fly DL and could have submitted a few of those cards in my travels. Yet I have never heard of it (would rather hear about this program than the stupid AMEX sales pitch nonsense). Were does one go to submit one of these cards?
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jughead View Post
How do you do that? How do you drag guys into this position? If they didn't volunteer or want to be there, how do you find them? And how much of an asset to the pilot group are they, if they don't really want the job?
Perhaps "dragged" was a poor choice of words on my part. I should have said "persuaded."

Good leadership will identify and motivate guys who are a good fit. And yes, there is still a place for leadership on the company's part.

I've flown with several LCAs who swore they would never do it. But when approached and mentored, they eventually accepted the position. To me, those guys generally have a better perspective than the folks begging for the job.
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank View Post
Good leadership will identify and motivate guys who are a good fit. And yes, there is still a place for leadership on the company's part.

I've flown with several LCAs who swore they would never do it. But when approached and mentored, they eventually accepted the position. To me, those guys generally have a better perspective than the folks begging for the job.

I agree. I flown with several guys who aren't check airmen (like Jughead)* and have no desire to do it, yet I think they would make great LCAs. And then sometimes I fly with one and wonder how in the hell he became one.

*he bought the beer
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank View Post
Perhaps "dragged" was a poor choice of words on my part. I should have said "persuaded."

Good leadership will identify and motivate guys who are a good fit. And yes, there is still a place for leadership on the company's part.

I've flown with several LCAs who swore they would never do it. But when approached and mentored, they eventually accepted the position. To me, those guys generally have a better perspective than the folks begging for the job.
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:07 PM
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How do you do that? How do you drag guys into this position? If they didn't volunteer or want to be there, how do you find them? And how much of an asset to the pilot group are they, if they don't really want the job?
I think Drank's use of "dragged" is not what he meant. I think we need guys and girls who don't actively campaign for the job but are enticed to do it. The pay, IMHO, isn't worth it. I greatly appreciate the service aspect and the absolute need for the position. Just like the hiring process...Delta gets it right almost all the time. No process can be perfect, however.

In my experience at DAL, 99% of the LCAs I've had experience with are absolutely right for the job. I was the Air Force version for heavy jets and I intimately understand the obligation and undertaking. The rub is the 1% or so who shouldn't be offered that responsibility. We have those guys at DAL and they don't have the personality or approach to competently do the job. That's a management problem.

If and when you come across them, respond through the appropriate channels.
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential View Post
Section 12.K.

K.
Duty Period Credit (“1 for 2”)

29
30 1. A pilot who reports for duty will be guaranteed a minimum duty period credit. Such
31 credit will be calculated on the greater of scheduled or actual duty time, prorated on a
32 minute-by-minute basis, for each duty period, as follows:
33 a. one hour credit for ever
y two hours of duty time from 0600 to 2200 (pilot’s base

34 time), and
35 b. one hour credit for every one and three quarters hours of duty time,
36 1)
from 2200 to 0600 (pilot’s base time), or

37 2) from 2200 to release
from a duty period that includes 0359 (pilot’s base time).
38 2. A pilot who is granted a personal drop for a duty period(s) or portion thereof, will not be

39 eligible for duty period credit for such duty period(s).
Thanks. I'm on one of those 8 hour behind the door to a delayed flight to a 5 legger.
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:26 PM
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Thanks. I'm on one of those 8 hour behind the door to a delayed flight to a 5 legger.
Those suck. I had a few on the Dog....I've had a few on the Fluff. Not enough time to wind down, iron, sleep and rally.
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Old 08-21-2013, 03:41 AM
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Thanks. I'm on one of those 8 hour behind the door to a delayed flight to a 5 legger.

Aghhh, just finished a 4 day trip from #ell! Reduced rest on day three, and a 5 legger on day four, thunderstorms, three swaps with some maint thrown in.....and its all legal...and ALPA sanctions this in our PWA ! Almost hit 14 hours of duty time......Imagine sitting behind a desk for 14 hours then having to drive on the interstate during heavy traffic low vis and and thunderstorms, ...how safe is that.

And some how I feel our day was even worse than that!
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Old 08-21-2013, 04:09 AM
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Side Question:
I'm trying to move some reserve days around in PCS and the status of my request is "capped reserve days", what does that mean?
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