It's a little more complicated than just that. The duty/rest rules and limits were long overdue for change.

Yeah. His F/O raised the flaps to increase lift in the stall. :mad:

Somebody must have been following my family around this week.

Bad FAA approved training.

Flying a bad FAA approved, Ice Machine...into Icing conditions. :eek:

Boots suck.

Icing had nothing to do with the accident. They simply stalled the aircraft.


The airplane performance study and simulations showed that the airplane experienced minimal performance degradation because of ice accretion.184 Specifically, the AOA at the time of the wing stall was about 1° above the expected AOA for a clean wing (no ice accretion) stall warning. Thus, the airplane could have been operated in normal flight, at the non-icing Vref, and with a substantial margin remaining above the actual point of stall. As a result, the NTSB concludes that the minimal aircraft performance degradation resulting from ice accumulation did not affect the flight crew’s ability to fly and control the airplane. The flight crew’s actions during the accident sequence are further discussed in sections 2.2.2 through 2.2.4.


They were at 2300 feet on autopilot approaching the marker in level flight. The CA commanded gear down and flaps to 15. Props were set to fine pitch and power to idle. It was left there until the aircraft stalled. The PFD gave them 18 seconds of warning in red they were slowing below the commanded AS prior to stick shaker.

Pretty sure we just had an earthquake in Atlanta. Anyone else feel that?

A good friend of mine lost his sister in that Colgan flight. She was 32-weeks pregnant with her first child.

Sometimes I dismiss your ignorant comments as being misplaced childhood abuse & subsequent confused anger, but this comment above, allows you to take home the APC Gold Medal of Stupid comments. Congrats Pee-drink, you have medaled, & subsequently been awarded the Tool of the Year award.

There were many more details involved in that fatal night's flight than the Captain's "inability" to perform a stall recovery.

The company put out a fairly extensive summary of the changes 117 caused in rotation construction. Overall however the average daily value went up not down with 117. There was surprisingly little change system wide in rotation construction.