Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1582034)

Heck I do remember doing approach to stall stuff in the RJ and you'd do the clean, dirty and in a turn and have to slow to the shaker and recover to 180 or 200 kts +/- 5 and altitude +/- 100' and then do it again.

Now I got a chance to do it in the aircraft during training (not enough sim time) so in the middle of the night over Waco at 14000 I slowed it down to the shaker and unlike the sim the pusher fired off pretty easily. And fired off is the best way to describe that thing. Neat to see.

Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 1581935)

Hold up there, you're putting a few words in my mouth based on one throwaway comment. I'm not saying "RJ pilots got screwed". Every one of us knew exactly what we were getting into when we took the job. Mind you, we made that decision because it had become a defacto requirement for a civilian pilot who wanted to fly for the majors, but that's no excuse. I take responsibility for my actions and don't claim to be a victim whatsoever. Neither do I consider 10 years at the regionals "winning the lottery," though it certainly beats what you had to go through.

It seems like you've made the connection between outsourcing of narrowbody flying and your furlough and subsequent stagnation; don't you want that flying to be recaptured? That's what I want (and have for 10 years), and with the pilot shortage getting underway there may very well be a good chance to do exactly that in the near future. I don't want you to recapture it because RJ guys got screwed...we didn't, we got exactly what we were looking for (a chance at the majors) and no more. I want you to recapture it because junior guys like yourself got screwed, royally. I want you to recapture it because there is presently an enormous schism across this profession, and the lack of unity is going to hurt us going forward.

I've been trying to avoid "mainline guys are to blame for giving up scope!" arguments lately because *everyone* has a share of the blame, it's hypocritical to blame someone for a choice that I subsequently took advantage of, and because blaming people makes enemies out of needed allies. My throwaway comment about profit checks partially financed by RJ flying probably sounded accusatory, when I was mostly saying "Look, everything in this industry is connected. You can't biatch about Pt 117 that much when your wages, profit sharing etc were partially financed by contract decisions that eventually led to the conditions that brought about Pt 117." It's an argument for taking back scope: outsourcing 50% of your narrowbody flying will inevitably affect the 50% you keep.

Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1582035)

Now I'm glad I did military pilot training where we took a twin engine jet out into an area and tried to kill ourselves in so many ways. So much different when you actually feel the airplane stall versus in a box simulating it.

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1582049)

USA just scored again, up 2-1 with 10 mn to go in the 3rd. A beautiful pass from Kane to Pavelski who one-timed it. It was also on a power play, with the same Russian in the box both times!


....and Russia ties it up with 7 remaining.

...and RUS just scored again, with 4:40 remaining.

NO GOAL! Video replay shows it was touched by a high stick!

Still 2-2...

Originally Posted by filejw (Post 1582055)

Lucky, playing end to end with Russia is chancy as they have better wheels. Quick looks brilliant .....

Originally Posted by Vikz09 (Post 1582024)

Damn you ORF hotel. No NBCSP. Now I am going to try and find it on line.

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1582068)

Wow! I normally hate shootouts, but that was amazing!

US wins, 3-2.