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Is it just me, or is it starting to smell like NWA-style management tactics are taking hold?

just wait until Sleepy Ed takes over.

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1534959)

He's funny enough as it is, there's no need to stroke his ego. :cool:

Well, he always rises to the occasion. I'll give him that.

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Originally Posted by caddis (Post 1534912)

Gents,

This letter from Dickson is exactly they type of thing my reps said would happen. The company wants the FAR 117 changes to the PWA at no cost. They are going to make life more difficult for us until they get what they want.

and just wait until the mass reroutes kick in as the company scrambles.

What the company's doing is no different than us staging a mass sickout or suddenly refusing green slips.

At what point is the company going to be held responsible for ignoring the contract?

...and are last-minute green slips legal under 117?

I love it when the company does something like this that helps unify the pilots and make us stronger.

I feel like when relations between the company and union are good and things are generally positive, we pilots start in-fighting over stupid stuff making us lose perspective. It's like we're an energetic work dog that isn't being exercised and worked so we start chewing on our own leg.

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Originally Posted by APCLurker (Post 1534953)

How about leaving the status quo until next contract negotiations. .

I think "status quo" is our friend right now! The company is trying to change it and the contract, so in mediation/arbitration/judgment the deciding factor most likely will be status quo!
It has burned us in the past, lets use it to our advantage now

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Originally Posted by APCLurker (Post 1534953)

Perhaps resuming the long break would help.

Why would there be tremendous implications for the group unless dalpa allows there to be? A contract is a contract and SD's letter does not match up with said contract. So what is dalpa going to do? Are they going to cave and allow this to happen with said "tremendous implications" or are they going to defend the contract?

This seems like an open and shut grievance, especially when they notified in advance, and in writing, that they are going to do it.

How about leaving the status quo until next contract negotiations. Enough of the givebacks during billions in profits. I have a feeling that anything we would get for a concession on this (or poss. any other 117 issue) will be worth far less than what we give up. Having to acknowledge within two hours while on long call is a no-go item imho. You could not even be at a movie in some cases.

It has been known that PT 117 was coming for, what, almost 2 years now?

As others have already said, abide by the contract and the FAR's. Simple.

I really don't get why some of you seem ****ed that sailingfun came back to address this letter. I think he's absolutely right to be concerned and I appreciate his attempt to focus the group. Whether you like what he has to say or not, he's right more often than not. Unfortunately I think a lot of guys confuse him with slowplay.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1534699)

I am unaware of the transportation change being approved by us. The cutoff change was approved by the Hotel Committee chair and was based on pilot feedback.

If we had changed hotel locations for the short layover (not just moved across the street) this 15 house might be OK but as it is it is unacceptable. I would much rather go downtown than stay at the JFK airport with no food options for 15 hours not to mention the overall safety of the area.

I guess I'm the only one but I much prefer the downtown location as long as the layo time is at least 13:30. Did Alpa poll pilots on this or was it just some complainers and their negative feedback? I'm sure the company was thrilled with the change though this will save the a fortune.

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Originally Posted by Ed Harley (Post 1535012)

I love it when the company does something like this that helps unify the pilots and make us stronger.

Only if DALPA holds the line. Otherwise, the DPA will become an even bigger factor.

The company knows this.

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1534969)

They way I read the update it implied that a 10 hour blackout period was FAR mandatory. I believe the contract says if an FAR is more restrictive then its controlling, and even if it doesn't, the FAR's superceede it anyway. I don't see any way the 9/3 rolling window can be preserved as a matter of federal law. Do you?

Hmmm someone above mentioned we could still legally have the rolling 9 hour notification window and THEN still need 10 hours rest. While that would basically be a "get out of trip free" card most of the time and be very costly to the company, that could be a way to strictly honor both our CBA and the regs. I hadn't thought of that before, and that is definately something we should look into. As for "buying back the JV compliance" Foxtrot that. Maybe if they want us to abide by the unilateral 10 hour interpretation we can get 3 years of upside (plus full retro block hours from being out of balance the whole time) followed by a 1 year "balancing period" instead of the other way around.

If we kept the ability to keep the phone off for 9 hours at anytime, with 117 it basically would turn long call into a 19 hours.

Eliminating the ability to turn off the phone and requiring an acknowledgement within two hours, is certainly much more onerous on the long call pilot. Besides that ability to have your phone off for sleep, it also restricts your ability to do activities that have you out of cell coverage, or where your phone may not even work (ever been to a college football game with ATT, can't get a text off half the time). So what we would have would basically be "acknowledgement short call" within a long call period.

Quite a few possible fixes for this that would be beneficial to reserve pilots without complete hamstringing the company. It will be interesting to see where this ends up.