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Scoop 12-07-2013 05:43 AM

Hotels
 
I agree with you guys. We should stay at better Hotels that require a shorter van ride, that are in the good downtown areas, but if the downtown is not good, the good suburban areas. :rolleyes:

Hmmmm - I don't see 12,000 + guys agreeing on any of this.

But seriously, the AIRTRAIN? :eek:

Scoop :)

daldude 12-07-2013 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1534860)
I took a long and relaxing break from the forum. I came back because I feel a very important issue has come up. What I find here is the same usual whining about everything. The CLT layover hotel not being good enough? Give me a break. Its one of the very best areas in CLT and a great layover. Overall our hotels are very good. There are exceptions but we are head and shoulders above SW overall and virtually every other airline. We have a few bad ones but the hotel committee works very hard to fix those issues.

The reason I came back to the forum is that yesterday a issue worth whining about came up that has tremendous implications for the entire Delta Pilot Group.
Flight operations decided to unilaterally abrogate the contract starting 1 January. They are without any agreement with the union eliminating the 9 hour response window for a long call reserve. EVERY PILOT should be very concerned about this issue. I have already called my rep this morning and am planning more calls. He was as astounded by the letter from SD as I was. I recommend every pilot read the letter and make a attempt to contact their CP office and express your feelings on the subject. You should also contact your DALPA reps. I expect and demand a strong response from the union.

I also just read the letter. You will now be on a continuous 2 hour leash to acknowledge all long call assignments. No more sleeping through night. No more being out of contact for more than 2 hours. This will seriously effect the quality of life for reserve pilots. You will not even be able to commute to reserve inside of your 12 hours if your flight is longer than 2 hours. Letter on the way to my rep.

DAL 88 Driver 12-07-2013 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1534860)
I took a long and relaxing break from the forum. I came back because I feel a very important issue has come up. What I find here is the same usual whining about everything. The CLT layover hotel not being good enough? Give me a break. Its one of the very best areas in CLT and a great layover. Overall our hotels are very good. There are exceptions but we are head and shoulders above SW overall and virtually every other airline. We have a few bad ones but the hotel committee works very hard to fix those issues.

The reason I came back to the forum is that yesterday a issue worth whining about came up that has tremendous implications for the entire Delta Pilot Group.
Flight operations decided to unilaterally abrogate the contract starting 1 January. They are without any agreement with the union eliminating the 9 hour response window for a long call reserve. EVERY PILOT should be very concerned about this issue. I have already called my rep this morning and am planning more calls. He was as astounded by the letter from SD as I was. I recommend every pilot read the letter and make a attempt to contact their CP office and express your feelings on the subject. You should also contact your DALPA reps. I expect and demand a strong response from the union.

Who complained about the CLT layover? I sure didn't see it.

sailingfun 12-07-2013 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1534875)
Who complained about the CLT layover? I sure didn't see it.

BTW CLT is an awesome downtown, why aren't we there? (posted on previous page)

johnso29 12-07-2013 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1534860)
I took a long and relaxing break from the forum. I came back because I feel a very important issue has come up. What I find here is the same usual whining about everything. The CLT layover hotel not being good enough? Give me a break. Its one of the very best areas in CLT and a great layover. Overall our hotels are very good. There are exceptions but we are head and shoulders above SW overall and virtually every other airline. We have a few bad ones but the hotel committee works very hard to fix those issues.

The reason I came back to the forum is that yesterday a issue worth whining about came up that has tremendous implications for the entire Delta Pilot Group.
Flight operations decided to unilaterally abrogate the contract starting 1 January. They are without any agreement with the union eliminating the 9 hour response window for a long call reserve. EVERY PILOT should be very concerned about this issue. I have already called my rep this morning and am planning more calls. He was as astounded by the letter from SD as I was. I recommend every pilot read the letter and make a attempt to contact their CP office and express your feelings on the subject. You should also contact your DALPA reps. I expect and demand a strong response from the union.


Originally Posted by daldude (Post 1534873)
I also just read the letter. You will now be on a continuous 2 hour leash to acknowledge all long call assignments. No more sleeping through night. No more being out of contact for more than 2 hours. This will seriously effect the quality of life for reserve pilots. You will not even be able to commute to reserve inside of your 12 hours if your flight is longer than 2 hours. Letter on the way to my rep.


What's cute is that they think this plan will work. Sorry, but they signed a contract. They have to honor it. If they need a change, they'll have to give something up for it. :D It's not like Pt 117 snuck up on them.

TOGA LK 12-07-2013 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by daldude (Post 1534873)
I also just read the letter. You will now be on a continuous 2 hour leash to acknowledge all long call assignments. No more sleeping through night. No more being out of contact for more than 2 hours. This will seriously effect the quality of life for reserve pilots. You will not even be able to commute to reserve inside of your 12 hours if your flight is longer than 2 hours. Letter on the way to my rep.

Maybe negotiate a 10-hour rest period following an assignment, upon completion of that period then the longcall leash starts. Leave it to NWA to wring every drop out of 117 and abrogate the PWA. Sorry, meant to write DAL, most understand.

TOGA LK 12-07-2013 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1534880)
What's cute is that they think this plan will work. Sorry, but they signed a contract. They have to honor it. If they need a change, they'll have to give something up for it. :D It's not like Pt 117 snuck up on them.

+ 100. Contract is a contract. Same stance they took when outsourcing to an airline that didn't want to be bought, ultimately helping our competitors build a stronger network while displacing hundreds of pilots across the nation on the eve of unprecedented hiring. Fk em.

Jay5150 12-07-2013 06:30 AM

That thing's a bit wordy for me, but is this the gist of it?

You are on long call reserve. They could, with 2 hours notice convert you to short call, and then give you a trip with a 2 hour report. Basically giving a long-call guy a trip that signs in 4 hours from the first attempted contact?

If that is right, then there is no longer any such thing as long-call reserve.

E-mail on the way. I don't care what DALPA thinks they can get in return, this is a no-go item.

johnso29 12-07-2013 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by Jay5150 (Post 1534895)
That thing's a bit wordy for me, but is this the gist of it?

You are on long call reserve. They could, with 2 hours notice convert you to short call, and then give you a trip with a 2 hour report. Basically giving a long-call guy a trip that signs in 4 hours from the first attempted contact?

If that is right, then there is no longer any such thing as long-call reserve.

E-mail on the way. I don't care what DALPA thinks they can get in return, this is a no-go item.


No I don't think I they can do that. What's key here is that a pilot must ACKNOWLEDGE an assignment in order for rest to begin. And 10 hours rest is needed before any assignment, SC or trip. So basically under today's rules we can accept the assignment as little as 3 hours prior to report. IOW, be un-contactable for the first 9 hours of the 12 hour window. But now we would have to accept NLT 10 hours prior to report or the beginning of SC.

That's how I understand it. Which could still be an incorrect interpretation. :p

index 12-07-2013 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1534860)
I took a long and relaxing break from the forum. I came back because I feel a very important issue has come up. What I find here is the same usual whining about everything. The CLT layover hotel not being good enough? Give me a break. Its one of the very best areas in CLT and a great layover. Overall our hotels are very good. There are exceptions but we are head and shoulders above SW overall and virtually every other airline. We have a few bad ones but the hotel committee works very hard to fix those issues.

GMAB. Who made you arbiter over what should be discussed here? I don't layover in CLT so it's a non-issue to me, but I respect a pilot's right to complain. If you don't like it here take another vacation. No one will care.

What I do care about is the fact that one person---the DALPA Hotel Committee Chair---unilaterally waived my right to a downtown layover in NYC. The new cutoff is 15 hours v 12 hours. I was never polled on this. Were you? Each pilot individually should be able to decide.


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1534860)
The reason I came back to the forum is that yesterday a issue worth whining about came up that has tremendous implications for the entire Delta Pilot Group.

Says who? You? GMAB. Get over yourself.


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1534860)
Flight operations decided to unilaterally abrogate the contract starting 1 January.

Let's stop right there. As you said this is a CONTRACTUAL matter. Flight Ops has stated they will intentionally violate the CONTRACT. What's your worry here? That they will be able to do this indefinitely? Even DALPA could win a grievance over this issue. Every single pilot who was assigned a trip illegally would likely get assignment pay.


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1534860)
They are without any agreement with the union eliminating the 9 hour response window for a long call reserve. EVERY PILOT should be very concerned about this issue. I have already called my rep this morning and am planning more calls. He was as astounded by the letter from SD as I was. I recommend every pilot read the letter and make a attempt to contact their CP office and express your feelings on the subject. You should also contact your DALPA reps. I expect and demand a strong response from the union.

This is just a management paper tiger. They love to throw up false issues to keep us distracted.

Isn't the rule "fly now, grieve later"? Will some pilots be illegally assigned? It sounds like that's their intent. Will there be a remedy? Absolutely. Is this something to sound the general alarm over? NO. I'm not saying it's a non-issue.

Oh, and what type of "strong response" are you expecting? New lanyards? A terse letter from Marie?


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