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sinca3 12-12-2013 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1538090)
I once listened to one of our CEO state that he would not mind paying 777 Captains 500 dollars an hour back in 2001. He said the aircraft generated the revenue to support that wage. A 777 or any large widebody is a revenue generating machine!!!!!

Funny how things change...
At the last LCA/Instructor meeting with RA is quoted as saying the 777's aren't making the money he wants! The 747 and ER's are doing well, but the 777 due to high payments etc isn't his favorite or the companies best widebody.

sailingfun 12-12-2013 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by DARR31 (Post 1538146)
Somewhat happened last trip for me. On the last leg (SEA-SLC) we had a rolling MX issue and the jet was taken out of service. Instead of a deadhead back to base and replace us with another crew, they put us up for 12 hrs and had us show at 5AM to fly the jet back. :eek:

We were back at base about 17 hrs past scheduled release. They could have got us back to base that night, but being a weekend staffed with no RES, we got the short end of the stick!

I hate losing a day off!!:mad:

There has always been a unofficial concept at Delta. You break it and you stay with the jet. I have stayed with a jet as long as 7 days waiting to get it fixed. Having said that when in the US and a hub I have had no trouble calling crew tracking and getting sent home on a DH for a long maintenance issue.

sailingfun 12-12-2013 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by DARR31 (Post 1538146)
Somewhat happened last trip for me. On the last leg (SEA-SLC) we had a rolling MX issue and the jet was taken out of service. Instead of a deadhead back to base and replace us with another crew, they put us up for 12 hrs and had us show at 5AM to fly the jet back. :eek:

We were back at base about 17 hrs past scheduled release. They could have got us back to base that night, but being a weekend staffed with no RES, we got the short end of the stick!

I hate losing a day off!!:mad:

You may depending on the situation be due reroute pay. Check your time card and call DALPA if its not there. Ask for contract admin and they will check into it and see if reroute pay has been correctly applied. Getting rerouted is a fact of life in the airline industry. For every crew rerouted into extra flying a crew is rerouted into less flying. I find in general reroutes overall seem to work in my favor. I have had some bad ones but also lots of good ones where I got home early. Funny I never see anyone post about getting released early yet I know it happens all the time. I had a 6 day turned into a 3 day not long ago.

Scoop 12-12-2013 06:42 AM

Sailing,

You say that Pilot productivity is measured in block hours, and I sort of agree with that but think that ultimately revenue is more important. We run the airline to produce revenue not block hours.

Block hours are a means to an end - which is revenue. Part of the reason we fly less block hours is because of our complicated fleet. This complicated fleet also allows us to produce more revenue. You cannot discount the revenue saying that it is because widebodies produce more revenue and then have our inefficiencies count against us - more training, IOE, 4 Pilot rigs etc.

The bottom line is that Delta Pilots on average produce more revenue per year than Southwest Pilots. Yes, part of that is our fleet makeup but that is exactly why Southwest Pilots fly more block hours. One aircraft type greatly increases pilots ability to maximize annual block hours.

Delta Pilots are more efficient at producing revenue than Southwest. :)

OBTW - The last time I ran this calculation we were much much closer to Southwest - the "revenue gap" is widening.


Scoop

DeadHead 12-12-2013 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1538177)
I can only imagine that some of our posts like this and "The Insulting Turkey Sandwich Fiasco" end up on the pilot lounge bulletin boards of airlines all over America, with appropriate comments penned in. :p

I don't have a clever or witty response to this.

Please just try and enjoy this gif instead....

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/...-lotion-on.gif

sailingfun 12-12-2013 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by sinca3 (Post 1538180)
Funny how things change...
At the last LCA/Instructor meeting with RA is quoted as saying the 777's aren't making the money he wants! The 747 and ER's are doing well, but the 777 due to high payments etc isn't his favorite or the companies best widebody.

Profit and revenue are different animals. We also have the wrong model for the 777. The CEO of British Airways was asked what his biggest single mistake was since taking over. He stated it was not buying every 777-300 he could get his hands on. Profit also varies depending on which route you put a aircraft on. The 777 is locked into very different routes today then it flew in 2001.

flyallnite 12-12-2013 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1538197)
I don't have a clever or witty response to this.

Please just try and enjoy this gif instead....

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/...-lotion-on.gif

Most enjoyable!!!

sailingfun 12-12-2013 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1538196)
Sailing,

You say that Pilot productivity is measured in block hours, and I sort of agree with that but think that ultimately revenue is more important. We run the airline to produce revenue not block hours.

Block hours are a means to an end - which is revenue. Part of the reason we fly less block hours is because of our complicated fleet. This complicated fleet also allows us to produce more revenue. You cannot discount the revenue saying that it is because widebodies produce more revenue and then have our inefficiencies count against us - more training, IOE, 4 Pilot rigs etc.

The bottom line is that Delta Pilots on average produce more revenue per year than Southwest Pilots. Yes, part of that is our fleet makeup but that is exactly why Southwest Pilots fly more block hours. One aircraft type greatly increases pilots ability to maximize annual block hours.

Delta Pilots are more efficient at producing revenue than Southwest. :)

OBTW - The last time I ran this calculation we were much much closer to Southwest - the "revenue gap" is widening.


Scoop

I included Delta's total small narrowbody cost number in what I posted. It accounts for most of what you say. The last time I looked at revenue per seat we were very close to southwest in domestic markets. In fact there have been numerous posts stating we are often cheaper then SW. I believe the last time I looked our domestic RASM was within 1 cent per mile of SW.

flyallnite 12-12-2013 06:50 AM

... And I was speaking in context to our industry. I have friends and relatives whose jobs pay way, way more than ours do, and the company provides so many perks that they end up not paying for anything... vacations, first class seats, meals, cars, country club memberships, insurance, even homes. We're a long way from that level of 'appreciation'.

scambo1 12-12-2013 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1538199)
Profit and revenue are different animals. We also have the wrong model for the 777. The CEO of British Airways was asked what his biggest single mistake was since taking over. He stated it was not buying every 777-300 he could get his hands on. Profit also varies depending on which route you put a aircraft on. The 777 is locked into very different routes today then it flew in 2001.

Very true. Aside from the MCO turns to keep guys qualified and some Europe stuff, the 777 was always intended to be a ULH platform. JFK/ATL to BOM blocked at 17:55 one way. ATL to DXB, ATL-JNB, etc. 40K + pounds of cargo and full business class is a money generator.

Now, the 777 flies AMS, intra asia, lax, etc. The efficiency is in long haul, not short haul. There are still plenty of ULH legs, but the short stuff dilutes the numbers.


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