Originally Posted by Wilbur Wright (Post 1485598)

I wish mine was different because I flunked bidding for October and screwed myself. I don't know why your category is different, but on DeltaNet it clearly states:

The bid awards are not final until schedules are released in DBMS.
Please verify your results at that time.

Did you check DeltaNet again to see if it now reflects your iCrew schedule?

Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1485600)

Still different. I can tell you that I bid for exactly what is on ICREW/DBMS. The Oct Bid Award was completely opposite. I hope DBMS is true!

TEN

Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1485599)

Wow. 100% vacancy AE, lots of CAPT positions awarded. No movement out west, much of the "goodness" of this AE was illusory due to not backfilling guys who got the CAPT slots.

But the reality is different, and the hidden truth here is almost always ignored-- positions at the top (capt) don't mean DIDDLY SQUAT for most of the list if the FO positions that fill them are not BACKFILLED. If the high-end FO positions just shrink and shrink, well the "good deals" just don't ripple downwards do they?

One single LAX7ERF/O moved, downward to ATL717B.
One single LAX73NF/O moved by reinstatement to his old 320B spot. That single LAX73NB spot was filled by a NYC7ERB downbidding to it.

No SLC7ERF/O moved at all.
No SLC73NF/O moved at all.
One single SLC320F/O moved to DTW717A, and his spot was filled with reinstatement above, so no one in.

One SEA7ERF/O moved to 717A, but no backfill to his spot.
One SEA330F/O moved to 744B, but no backfill to his spot. SEA shrinks by two more.

Three DTW73NF/O positions moved, one swap with ATL73N, one swap with JFK73N, and one DTW744 guy moving down with existing guy moving to ATL73nB.... so no upwards movement at all there, just some base swaps.

Only Three CVG73NF/O moved (to 88 Capt, finally some up...) and were backfilled by 7ER, 88, and 320 FOs.

Hey, I WANTED to be hopeful about possibly moving upwards a single % point in my career, I really did... but this turned out to be just more of the same hidden shrinkage embedded in a great sounding growth. Yep, some growth but nowhere near what 75 Capt spots inferred. Results dictate that I have to call it like it was for us out west--zero growth, wide-body spot shrinkage.

However, congrats to the guys that got new CAPT spots, I can get behind that for them.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1485545)

For God sake man, when are you ALPA guys going to get up off your knees?

We don't have to wait until 2015 and we don't need a "release" to apply a little pressure to management.
We are talking to them about scope right now as I type this. The company needs some modifications to our contract. All we need is the courage and conviction to walk in there and say that "constructive engagement" has been way too one-sided and its about time for some reciprocity.
We simply tell them that 4,8,3,3 isn't enough and unless we get some compensation adjustments beyond the inflation rate then we are done cooperating with every little change to their fleet plan and their grand international plans to expand the "network" using everybody else's planes and pilots.

At least occasionally, ALPA needs to show that it can still be a labor union and not just the pilot division of management.

I am getting sick and tired of my union telling me I have to live in fear of the NMB and there's nothing ALPA can do because American and USAir have such low pay and we need to wait for them to "pattern" up and blah, blah, blah.. That is just a lame excuse and it is bu||$hit.

Delta is minting money right now largely because they are still paying us bankruptcy wages and we are flying our butts off. They can afford to start fixing that situation. And they can do it NOW. If they refuse then they can kiss their Narita codeshares goodbye and any future "engagements" aren't going to be so constructive.

Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1485600)

Still different. I can tell you that I bid for exactly what is on ICREW/DBMS. The Oct Bid Award was completely opposite. I hope DBMS is true!

TEN

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 14)

Do you think another substantial jump like previously will be a reasonable negotiating stance in Spring of 2015?

Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1485599)

Wow. 100% vacancy AE, lots of CAPT positions awarded. No movement out west, much of the "goodness" of this AE was illusory due to not backfilling guys who got the CAPT slots.

But the reality is different, and the hidden truth here is almost always ignored-- positions at the top (capt) don't mean DIDDLY SQUAT for most of the list if the FO positions that fill them are not BACKFILLED. If the high-end FO positions just shrink and shrink, well the "good deals" just don't ripple downwards do they?

All CAPT positions will end up one way or another flowing "through" the 7ER category--no matter who first fills the CAPT spot, with the meat of the senior F/O list at the company in the 7ER the created vacancies WILL flow through that category. If you just shrink that category and never backfill those spots, guess what? ALL CAPT VACANCIES GOODNESS STOPS WITH THE SENIOR F/Os on the 7ER!

One single LAX7ERF/O moved, downward to ATL717B.
One single LAX73NF/O moved by reinstatement to his old 320B spot. That single LAX73NB spot was filled by a NYC7ERB downbidding to it.

No SLC7ERF/O moved at all.
No SLC73NF/O moved at all.
One single SLC320F/O moved to DTW717A, and his spot was filled with reinstatement above, so no one in.

One SEA7ERF/O moved to 717A, but no backfill to his spot.
One SEA330F/O moved to 744B, but no backfill to his spot. SEA shrinks by two more.

Six MSP7ERF/O moved... NONE backfilled. Shrinkage, good deals short-stopped.

Three DTW73NF/O positions moved, one swap with ATL73N, one swap with JFK73N, and one DTW744 guy moving down with existing guy moving to ATL73nB.... so no upwards movement at all there, just some base swaps.

Only Three CVG73NF/O moved (to 88 Capt, finally some up...) and were backfilled by 7ER, 88, and 320 FOs.

Hey, I WANTED to be hopeful about possibly moving upwards a single % point in my career, I really did... but this turned out to be just more of the same hidden shrinkage embedded in a great sounding growth. Yep, some growth but nowhere near what 75 Capt spots inferred. Results dictate that I have to call it like it was for us out west--zero growth, wide-body spot shrinkage.

However, congrats to the guys that got new CAPT spots, I can get behind that for them.

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1485479)

Nobody doubted DAL's performance is stellar. How did you plan on getting more of those dollars?

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1485479)

LCC was and is still paying 757 CA's $144.02 (AW $141.85)
UAL was paying 757 CA's . $160.53 before the JCBA.
CAL was paying 757 CA's . $169.33 before the JCBA.

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1485479)

DAL was paying 757CA's . $188.96 prior to C2012 ($19-$45 ahead of peers)

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1485479)

We all want more, but when a majority of your peer group is severely lagging your compensation already it is a tough sell to the NMB to get a release.

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1485479)

How far ahead of them did we get with C2012?

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1485479)

Do you think another substantial jump like previously will be a reasonable negotiating stance in Spring of 2015?

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1485613)

You talk to your ATL Reps? Guess not or you would not be typing this.