Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1485545)

For God sake man, when are you ALPA guys going to get up off your knees?

We don't have to wait until 2015 and we don't need a "release" to apply a little pressure to management.
We are talking to them about scope right now as I type this. The company needs some modifications to our contract. All we need is the courage and conviction to walk in there and say that "constructive engagement" has been way too one-sided and its about time for some reciprocity.
We simply tell them that 4,8,3,3 isn't enough and unless we get some compensation adjustments beyond the inflation rate then we are done cooperating with every little change to their fleet plan and their grand international plans to expand the "network" using everybody else's planes and pilots.

At least occasionally, ALPA needs to show that it can still be a labor union and not just the pilot division of management.

I am getting sick and tired of my union telling me I have to live in fear of the NMB and there's nothing ALPA can do because American and USAir have such low pay and we need to wait for them to "pattern" up and blah, blah, blah.. That is just a lame excuse and it is bu||$hit.

Delta is minting money right now largely because they are still paying us bankruptcy wages and we are flying our butts off. They can afford to start fixing that situation. And they can do it NOW. If they refuse then they can kiss their Narita codeshares goodbye and any future "engagements" aren't going to be so constructive.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1485613)

You talk to your ATL Reps? Guess not or you would not be typing this.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1485591)

I could actually agree with all of that if you had us collectively take responsibility for our actions. We, collectively, do all these things.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1485591)

I don't think the problem is our agent, but our playing.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1485545)

For God sake man, when are you ALPA guys going to get up off your knees?

We don't have to wait until 2015 and we don't need a "release" to apply a little pressure to management.
We are talking to them about scope right now as I type this. The company needs some modifications to our contract. All we need is the courage and conviction to walk in there and say that "constructive engagement" has been way too one-sided and its about time for some reciprocity.
We simply tell them that 4,8,3,3 isn't enough and unless we get some compensation adjustments beyond the inflation rate then we are done cooperating with every little change to their fleet plan and their grand international plans to expand the "network" using everybody else's planes and pilots.

At least occasionally, ALPA needs to show that it can still be a labor union and not just the pilot division of management.

I am getting sick and tired of my union telling me I have to live in fear of the NMB and there's nothing ALPA can do because American and USAir have such low pay and we need to wait for them to "pattern" up and blah, blah, blah.. That is just a lame excuse and it is bu||$hit.

Delta is minting money right now largely because they are still paying us bankruptcy wages and we are flying our butts off. They can afford to start fixing that situation. And they can do it NOW. If they refuse then they can kiss their Narita codeshares goodbye and any future "engagements" aren't going to be so constructive.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1485545)

For God sake man, when are you ALPA guys going to get up off your knees?

We don't have to wait until 2015 and we don't need a "release" to apply a little pressure to management.
We are talking to them about scope right now as I type this. The company needs some modifications to our contract. All we need is the courage and conviction to walk in there and say that "constructive engagement" has been way too one-sided and its about time for some reciprocity.
We simply tell them that 4,8,3,3 isn't enough and unless we get some compensation adjustments beyond the inflation rate then we are done cooperating with every little change to their fleet plan and their grand international plans to expand the "network" using everybody else's planes and pilots.

At least occasionally, ALPA needs to show that it can still be a labor union and not just the pilot division of management.

I am getting sick and tired of my union telling me I have to live in fear of the NMB and there's nothing ALPA can do because American and USAir have such low pay and we need to wait for them to "pattern" up and blah, blah, blah.. That is just a lame excuse and it is bu||$hit.

Delta is minting money right now largely because they are still paying us bankruptcy wages and we are flying our butts off. They can afford to start fixing that situation. And they can do it NOW. If they refuse then they can kiss their Narita codeshares goodbye and any future "engagements" aren't going to be so constructive.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1485613)

You talk to your ATL Reps? Guess not or you would not be typing this.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1485613)

You talk to your ATL Reps? Guess not or you would not be typing this.