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forgot to bid 09-17-2013 11:02 AM

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Timbo 09-17-2013 11:09 AM

Hey, speaking of clean swipes, at 4pm (east) today there will be what could end up being the final Americas Cup races, live on NBC Sports Channel (the old Versus network channel).

The New Zealand team is up 7-1 right now, they only need two more wins, and with two races scheduled today if they win them both, it could be all over for the American team.

The good news is, the American team has been getting better, having won 2 out of the last 3 races, so I'm hoping they can at least split with the Kiwis today. Both boats are capable of foiling at over 40 knots.

Here's a recap of the last two races last Sunday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN8ykSNoanI

RockyBoy 09-17-2013 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1485545)
For God sake man, when are you ALPA guys going to get up off your knees?

We don't have to wait until 2015 and we don't need a "release" to apply a little pressure to management.
We are talking to them about scope right now as I type this. The company needs some modifications to our contract. All we need is the courage and conviction to walk in there and say that "constructive engagement" has been way too one-sided and its about time for some reciprocity.
We simply tell them that 4,8,3,3 isn't enough and unless we get some compensation adjustments beyond the inflation rate then we are done cooperating with every little change to their fleet plan and their grand international plans to expand the "network" using everybody else's planes and pilots.

At least occasionally, ALPA needs to show that it can still be a labor union and not just the pilot division of management.

I am getting sick and tired of my union telling me I have to live in fear of the NMB and there's nothing ALPA can do because American and USAir have such low pay and we need to wait for them to "pattern" up and blah, blah, blah.. That is just a lame excuse and it is bu||$hit.

Delta is minting money right now largely because they are still paying us bankruptcy wages and we are flying our butts off. They can afford to start fixing that situation. And they can do it NOW. If they refuse then they can kiss their Narita codeshares goodbye and any future "engagements" aren't going to be so constructive.

I'm with Check here. The NMB has nothing to do with us fixing the Narita issue and the new rest rules. Tell them to give us some or wait 18 months to start negotiations. I'm fine operating under our current contract for another few years. If they want to change it, then they need to pay and in a way that EVERYONE benefits....like payrates or retirement.

TeddyKGB 09-17-2013 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1485531)
I was hired in 07. Won't make 50% until 2023. Your math still puts me at around a 15 year upgrade.

717A will prob trickle eventually down to 8500ish.

8500ish is around 70ish%. How many years will it take you to reach the 70% mark. There is your answer as to how many years until your earliest upgrade opportunity.

TenYearsGone 09-17-2013 11:18 AM

****** Check your new schedules on ICREW. The ICREW schedule is what I wanted for OCT but the OCT BID AWARDS from Deltanet were different. Weird. I am very happy with the schedule uploaded in Icrew for OCT. The OCT AWARDS in Deltanet sucked.

TEN

PS. Why are they different?

NuGuy 09-17-2013 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1485531)
I was hired in 07. Won't make 50% until 2023. Your math still puts me at around a 15 year upgrade.

717A will prob trickle eventually down to 8500ish.

I'm roughly 15 years right now. Well over 1000 numbers away from the most junior CA spot (I was in the single digits in 2007).

Nu

Timbo 09-17-2013 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1485565)
****** Check your new schedules on ICREW. The ICREW schedule is what I wanted for OCT but the OCT BID AWARDS from Deltanet were different. Weird. I am very happy with the schedule uploaded in Icrew for OCT. The OCT AWARDS in Deltanet sucked.

TEN

PS. Why are they different?


I've been noticing some funky stuff going on with my awards the past couple days. As I mentioned earlier, there are 41 trips left over in open time, an unheard of amount since PBS began. Most months there are less than 10 trips in open time after lines are built. The lines were posted to DL Net a few days ago, but until just this morning, the open time had not disappeared from iCrew, which is not normal, and they've had our lines in iCrew on the 16th, usually, but not this month.

They might have been re-running the lines right up until the deadline, that's all I can figure, unless there was some other snafu that kept them at it until this morning.

Sink r8 09-17-2013 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1485545)
For God sake man, when are you ALPA guys going to get up off your knees?

We don't have to wait until 2015 and we don't need a "release" to apply a little pressure to management.
We are talking to them about scope right now as I type this. The company needs some modifications to our contract. All we need is the courage and conviction to walk in there and say that "constructive engagement" has been way too one-sided and its about time for some reciprocity.
We simply tell them that 4,8,3,3 isn't enough and unless we get some compensation adjustments beyond the inflation rate then we are done cooperating with every little change to their fleet plan and their grand international plans to expand the "network" using everybody else's planes and pilots.

At least occasionally, ALPA needs to show that it can still be a labor union and not just the pilot division of management.

I am getting sick and tired of my union telling me I have to live in fear of the NMB and there's nothing ALPA can do because American and USAir have such low pay and we need to wait for them to "pattern" up and blah, blah, blah.. That is just a lame excuse and it is bu||$hit.

Delta is minting money right now largely because they are still paying us bankruptcy wages and we are flying our butts off. They can afford to start fixing that situation. And they can do it NOW. If they refuse then they can kiss their Narita codeshares goodbye and any future "engagements" aren't going to be so constructive.

I could actually agree with all of that if you had us collectively take responsibility for our actions. We, collectively, do all these things.

I don't think the problem is our agent, but our playing.

Wilbur Wright 09-17-2013 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1485565)
****** Check your new schedules on ICREW. The ICREW schedule is what I wanted for OCT but the OCT BID AWARDS from Deltanet were different. Weird. I am very happy with the schedule uploaded in Icrew for OCT. The OCT AWARDS in Deltanet sucked.

TEN

PS. Why are they different?

I wish mine was different because I flunked bidding for October and screwed myself. I don't know why your category is different, but on DeltaNet it clearly states:

The bid awards are not final until schedules are released in DBMS.
Please verify your results at that time.


Did you check DeltaNet again to see if it now reflects your iCrew schedule?

Roadkill 09-17-2013 11:58 AM

Wow. 100% vacancy AE, lots of CAPT positions awarded. No movement out west, much of the "goodness" of this AE was illusory due to not backfilling guys who got the CAPT slots.

But the reality is different, and the hidden truth here is almost always ignored-- positions at the top (capt) don't mean DIDDLY SQUAT for most of the list if the FO positions that fill them are not BACKFILLED. If the high-end FO positions just shrink and shrink, well the "good deals" just don't ripple downwards do they?

All CAPT positions will end up one way or another flowing "through" the 7ER category--no matter who first fills the CAPT spot, with the meat of the senior F/O list at the company in the 7ER the created vacancies WILL flow through that category. If you just shrink that category and never backfill those spots, guess what? ALL CAPT VACANCIES GOODNESS STOPS WITH THE SENIOR F/Os on the 7ER!

One single LAX7ERF/O moved, downward to ATL717B.
One single LAX73NF/O moved by reinstatement to his old 320B spot. That single LAX73NB spot was filled by a NYC7ERB downbidding to it.

No SLC7ERF/O moved at all.
No SLC73NF/O moved at all.
One single SLC320F/O moved to DTW717A, and his spot was filled with reinstatement above, so no one in.

One SEA7ERF/O moved to 717A, but no backfill to his spot.
One SEA330F/O moved to 744B, but no backfill to his spot. SEA shrinks by two more.

Six MSP7ERF/O moved... NONE backfilled. Shrinkage, good deals short-stopped.

Three DTW73NF/O positions moved, one swap with ATL73N, one swap with JFK73N, and one DTW744 guy moving down with existing guy moving to ATL73nB.... so no upwards movement at all there, just some base swaps.

Only Three CVG73NF/O moved (to 88 Capt, finally some up...) and were backfilled by 7ER, 88, and 320 FOs.

Hey, I WANTED to be hopeful about possibly moving upwards a single % point in my career, I really did... but this turned out to be just more of the same hidden shrinkage embedded in a great sounding growth. Yep, some growth but nowhere near what 75 Capt spots inferred. Results dictate that I have to call it like it was for us out west--zero growth, wide-body spot shrinkage.

However, congrats to the guys that got new CAPT spots, I can get behind that for them.


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