DL is making and has been making far more money than its counterparts. They did not address the other companies payrates in their rebuttal, only that they were out of money to give us. We're in the revenue category of the freighters, yet some dummies keep trying to say we're not the same.

Columbia was hired in 2010, AND read the entire post. Don't you think that 717A's will go junior to seniority #7318 when all 88 have arrived on property? I'd place money on someone junior to #7318 holding 717A.

GJ

I was hired in 07. Won't make 50% until 2023. Your math still puts me at around a 15 year upgrade.

717A will prob trickle eventually down to 8500ish.

With the "assumption" that 717A's don't go junior to #7318. Yes, then you would have a 15-year upgrade. Notice, I also put in parenthetical, that it's not "very likely" the aircraft "A" position will remain senior to #7318.

Edit: Yes, I agree with your edited post of "A" positions trickling down to mid-8000's.

Hey Gearjerk, your numbers put me at 21 year up grade and I'm a 2001 hire. 15 years sounds pretty good to me.

Sorry you were hired at the beginning of a stagnant decade, and also probably furloughed because of it. (Along with 9/11, SARS, economy, bankruptcy, management, etc.)

My point, which isn't being taken too well in the text of the post, is that previous upgrade times, are not indicative of the upgrade times Delta pilots will see in the future.

80kts mentioned in his post that it'll take him 15yrs. to make 50% on the list. There is absolutely zero chance of him having to stay in the right seat until he reaches 50% on the list. The current award shows someone can hold "A" position at 60% on the list, and they're not even done awarding 717A's yet.

GJ

I got an HTC Evo about 2 1/2 years ago, it's still going strong, no complaints.

For God sake man, when are you ALPA guys going to get up off your knees?

We don't have to wait until 2015 and we don't need a "release" to apply a little pressure to management.
We are talking to them about scope right now as I type this. The company needs some modifications to our contract. All we need is the courage and conviction to walk in there and say that "constructive engagement" has been way too one-sided and its about time for some reciprocity.
We simply tell them that 4,8,3,3 isn't enough and unless we get some compensation adjustments beyond the inflation rate then we are done cooperating with every little change to their fleet plan and their grand international plans to expand the "network" using everybody else's planes and pilots.

At least occasionally, ALPA needs to show that it can still be a labor union and not just the pilot division of management.

I am getting sick and tired of my union telling me I have to live in fear of the NMB and there's nothing ALPA can do because American and USAir have such low pay and we need to wait for them to "pattern" up and blah, blah, blah.. That is just a lame excuse and it is bu||$hit.

Delta is minting money right now largely because they are still paying us bankruptcy wages and we are flying our butts off. They can afford to start fixing that situation. And they can do it NOW. If they refuse then they can kiss their Narita codeshares goodbye and any future "engagements" aren't going to be so constructive.

I was surprised at the WB captain awards when there were no vacancies on the AE. Not complaining, just pleasantly surprised.

Because it's part of the contract.

8. A recalled pilot:
a. will return to an entry level position (or by mutual agreement between the pilot and the Company, to a position his seniority would entitle him to hold),
b. may be required to complete training for that position, and
c. will be entitled to bid and be awarded an advance entitlement(s) during training.