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Originally Posted by The Waco Kid
(Post 1486090)
Quick question:
In terms of relative seniority, where do the junior most 777 and 747 FO and Captain fall? Thanks From what I've witnessed in the Sports Bar, in Narita, they usually fall... down, on the carpet, face first. :eek: But the good ones never spill a drop!:D |
Originally Posted by timbo
(Post 1486143)
from what i've witnessed in the sports bar, in narita, they usually fall...
Down, on the carpet, face first. :eek: But the good ones never spill a drop!:d |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1486135)
OK. If the 717's were coming anyway and the line wasn't moving ... what negotiating leverage did we have? A strike? A slow down? Where do you think we would be right now exactly?
Contract wise, it is hard to say where we'd be now. That is moving into an alternate reality that did not transpire and there are too many variables to say much with logical certitude. Hopefully some additional pay and better scope that didn't have to pay for themselves via concessions. We'd be taking delivery of 717s and parking 50 seaters in droves just like we are, that is certain. |
Originally Posted by FIIGMO
(Post 1486131)
80,
I see your point and my opinion is that what you state is conjecture... At what point did anyone say that X will happen if we force the company to stick with the 50 seaters??? (Who knows what would have happened, but getting concrete language was the way to go, 717's are not nothing to you and I and there is no way the company would has said , "oh you are right you guys win!") What I wanted in the contract was a cap and containment. It is in this contract... Is it perfect? no.... but it is one step closer to being certain that less Delta passengers, are flying on less DCI flights with Less DCI pilots... Fiig |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1486146)
We'd be taking delivery of 717s and parking 50 seaters in droves just like we are, that is certain. There were CPA contracts for those 50 seaters. There were ownership costs and obligations for those 50 seaters. What magic were you going to work to get rid of those?:rolleyes: Management had a plan B that didn't involve B717's. It had about 50 fewer mainline jets in it, as they couldn't economically get out of a bunch of CRJ-200 commitments AND manage their capacity for the airline. All this was explained during the ratification process. What you wrote above isn't based on fact, it's your belief. |
http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedi...s/BRY_5259.jpg
I'm thinking tsquare is holding out on us. He had to have taken more than 2 pictures. |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1486156)
How?
There were CPA contracts for those 50 seaters. There were ownership costs and obligations for those 50 seaters. What magic were you going to work to get rid of those?:rolleyes: Management had a plan B that didn't involve B717's. It had about 50 fewer mainline jets in it, as they couldn't economically get out of a bunch of CRJ-200 commitments AND manage their capacity for the airline. All this was explained during the ratification process. What you wrote above isn't based on fact, it's your belief. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1486160)
You know better than that. DL won't pass up on a great deal for used aircraft. You also knew the fleet plan schedule and CPAs for the 50s. That was widely published. C2012 moved the 50 seater line by about 2 years. That is it.
You keep making things up if it makes you feel better. You might want to reread the TA presentation and Q&A's to get some facts as to when stuff was going away. And if Delta won't pass up a "great deal for used aircraft" why aren't the plan B airplanes here?:rolleyes: |
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