Originally Posted by The Waco Kid (Post 1486090)

Quick question:

In terms of relative seniority, where do the junior most 777 and 747 FO and Captain fall?

Thanks

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1485869)

Reading the C44 Communications you should see that the MEC has not even decided if they will negotiate. That is what this meeting is for. Read what the C44 reps published in their hotline and communiqué the last few weeks. If it does not result in a clear benefit for the Delta Pilots they will not ratify the TA.


Here are excerpts:

Sept 8th:
Item 1. Mid-Contract Negotiations, Setting the record straight: We often get the questions from Council 44 pilots, “Why pursue an LOA?” Or, “Shouldn’t we just say ‘No?’” You have communicated to us that you want to achieve contract improvements in several areas, and whenever possible. You have also passed resolutions directing us to do this. Let’s face it, there’s no shortage to the list of improvements that you provide us. Any negotiation that changes our contract will result in an LOA, that’s how it works. But let’s be clear: We will not ratify an LOA unless it is an improvement for the Delta pilots, in keeping with their direction to us and in their best interests!

We will engage in negotiations when mandated, such as a new joint venture, new aircraft pay, or up to 270 days prior to our amendable date. Additionally, we will engage in discretionary negotiations when opportunities arise that may lead to improvements in the pay, working conditions, retirement or job security of the Delta pilots, such as is occurring with Asia/Pacific scope. We have not yet but may engage in negotiations with Delta due to changes in the new flight time and duty time regulations (FAR 117), but will only if it is in the best interests of the Delta pilots to do so.

We will not negotiate to simply “help the company.” We will not negotiate to simply “provide relief.” We will negotiate when we see the opportunity to improve our contract. We are committed to achieving contract improvements for the Delta pilots at every opportunity, and will continue to communicate to you when we see these opportunities coming. We understand your input that any negotiations must result in gains for our pilots.

Communiqué:
Fellow Council 44 Pilots,

Today Delta Air Lines stock was re-listed on the S&P 500. As Delta is one of only two airlines on this index (DAL and LUV); this is a significant milestone for our company and serves as recognition of the sacrifices, hard work and dedication of the Delta pilots, and indeed all Delta employees, who rebuilt our airline in the aftermath of the tragic events of September 11, 2001.

Through bankruptcy, a hostile take-over attempt, two wars, the largest financial collapse since the Great Depression and a merger, we have been instrumental in rebuilding our brand, our airline, and our industry. Today we can pause and take great pride in what we’ve achieved together through many difficult decisions in a very difficult environment.

Delta Air Lines in now the industry-leading airline, outperforming the U.S. airline industry in nearly every metric. Delta has been profitable for three years and is now able to pay dividends, buy back stock, purchase new jets, invest in the company, and invest in new terminal construction at JFK and LGA, all while remaining on track to reduce its debt to $7 billion by 2016; a significant improvement over the $17 billion in debt in 2009. The mainline is growing with scheduled deliveries of 88 B717s, 100 B737-900s, 30 A321s and 10 A330-300s starting this fall through 2017. New hire pilots will join our ranks in November, and right now we have an advance entitlement open with more upward movement and an expected trajectory of continued advancement opportunities. Our Delta Air Lines is now a healthy and growing company capable of supporting a healthy pilot contract.

We should all be proud of the investment that we made and the returns that it brought, but we must be mindful of the fact that the Delta pilots have yet to recover from their sacrifices. As your representatives we will work tirelessly to deliver a contract that reflects this fact. The pilots who were instrumental in making today possible deserve nothing less.

Fraternally,

Hermon, Dave, Armando and David

Is this clear enough for you?

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1486101)

Rough numbers, junior 777a is about 10% and junior 777b is about 70%

747a about the same as 777a and 747b is about 75-80%

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1486067)

Full disclosure - I voted against C2012 and debated the benefit of the 717. Now with a little historical perspective; the forethought to create new Joint Venture protections and provisions tied to the 717 appear to be helping us. I've changed my mind from con to pro.

Interested to learn your thoughts ... please share your reasoning with us. Why do believe Contract 2012 scope was not an improvement over it's predecessor?

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1486120)

We replaced a bunch of 50 seaters that only had a few years left with long term viable jumbo RJs.. extending the regional model lifespan.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1486120)

We replaced a bunch of 50 seaters that only had a few years left with long term viable jumbo RJs.. extending the regional model lifespan.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1486124)

True.

We also held the line (I was afraid we wouldn't). The status quo sees the Next Gen 100 seater on our property. We recaptured our flying. Those 717 A positions are absorbing a lot of pilots who would be displacements as the 757 undergoes fleet renewal.

I've had enough of displacements. You too?

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1486120)

We replaced a bunch of 50 seaters that only had a few years left with long term viable jumbo RJs.. extending the regional model lifespan.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1486129)

It is strongly logical that the 717s were coming anyways as well as the 76 seat line wasnt going to move.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1486050)

We don't need to move 777 time to SEA to overfly NRT. 777s can overfly anyplace from anyplace.