Originally Posted by Erdude32 (Post 1577094)

Can we PUULLLEEEAAASSSSEEEE quit beating the dead horse of C2012??? Was it perfect? No. Was it a step forward? Yes. Could we have done better? Yes. Does arguing over who's crank is bigger now do any of us any good? NO! We are now what, a year +/- from openers? All we are doing on here is publicly demonstrating our division, as if the DPA derailment wasn't enough. The more divided we are will have a direct correlation in the amount of $ we extract from the Company.

Want to do something useful with our time instead of fighting each other? We need to be informational picketing the White House over the Pre-Clearance facility and Norwegian Air. We are being boiled slowly and the camels nose is no longer under the tent....he's IN the tent. Cabbotage is coming our way faster than a fat lazy Congressman can be bought off. THIS is how they will solve the Pilot shortage. Wait for it. Within 5 years Norwegian, Ryan or another startup will order 6-700 737's to be flown in the US. Boeing will trip over itself to lobby for Cabbotage.

If we don't stop this NOW...it's too late.

Calling on ALPA, APA, SWAPA to issue a Nationwide SOD and shut it down. Lobbying has been tried and failed.

In the meantime we are still in a p!ss!ng contest over who was right about C2012.

WAKE THE F UP!!!

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1577123)

Oh, and T4 is abysmal... professionally speaking.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1576514)

While its certainlly not bad news, it still doesn't point to anything beyond the 300 originally approved. There's still more classes on the way through summer, and obviously they have to have places to put them.

I do find it interesting that we are still interviewing even though the pool + flows is already enough to more than cover what remains of the original 300 openings (including furlough returns).

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1577158)

Gloopy,

The 300 number is meaningless. When we had to spool up for hiring that was the number that was used to put a cost to hiring and was approved by the BOD. The "plan" right now is that we will be hiring for the next 15 years.

That can change tomorrow and so is also pretty meaningless.

FWIW I have heard some ridiculously specific numbers recently (closer to 3 times the 300 number than 2 x the 300 number) and then within 2 hours have heard a number closer to 2 X the 300 number. As you pointed out we are already blowing through the 300 number so that should satisfy everyone that the 300 number is meaningless.

We will probably change the "official" number in the late spring/early summer. And yes new hires going directly into the ER is being discussed and may happen.


Scoop :)

Originally Posted by Erdude32 (Post 1577094)

Can we PUULLLEEEAAASSSSEEEE quit beating the dead horse of C2012??? Was it perfect? No. Was it a step forward? Yes. Could we have done better? Yes. Does arguing over who's crank is bigger now do any of us any good? NO! We are now what, a year +/- from openers? All we are doing on here is publicly demonstrating our division, as if the DPA derailment wasn't enough. The more divided we are will have a direct correlation in the amount of $ we extract from the Company.

Want to do something useful with our time instead of fighting each other? We need to be informational picketing the White House over the Pre-Clearance facility and Norwegian Air. We are being boiled slowly and the camels nose is no longer under the tent....he's IN the tent. Cabbotage is coming our way faster than a fat lazy Congressman can be bought off. THIS is how they will solve the Pilot shortage. Wait for it. Within 5 years Norwegian, Ryan or another startup will order 6-700 737's to be flown in the US. Boeing will trip over itself to lobby for Cabbotage.

If we don't stop this NOW...it's too late.

Calling on ALPA, APA, SWAPA to issue a Nationwide SOD and shut it down. Lobbying has been tried and failed.

In the meantime we are still in a p!ss!ng contest over who was right about C2012.

WAKE THE F UP!!!

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1577188)

Here is the latest retirement schedule. Subject to change of course.
2014- 14 757
2015- 15 757
2016- 13 757
2017- 22 757 4-767

Over the next 4 years we lose 64 757 and 4 767 airframes. In addition we retired 16 757 airframes in 2013. No other aircraft types were listed for retirement. We should gain around 205 airframes over that period. Net gain 135 plus airframes.