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When you trade scope for bargaining credits ... it is a sale.

Recall I have posted the bankruptcy transcripts here before. Want them up again, or you want to simply search this thread?

For Northwest, look at your 10-4 zipline.

dalad

02-16-2014 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1582693)

but the furloughs were 2000-2001 hires correct?

Yes, I believe so. The company announced they were going to furlough up to 1400. I remember Leo's press conference, he seemed almost giddy about it, declaring FM was in effect. It made me sick, because many of my Crash pad roommates were furloughed.

sailingfun

02-16-2014 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1582695)

There was no scope in the 1990 contract, It wasn't implemented until 1996 when we grandfathered in the 146's and ATR's that were over 50 seats. The contract we signed, Sailing was in 1990 right before Saddam invaded Kuwait. I remember it well, as it reduced the B-Scale to 3 years. You would gain more credibility if you started posting the truth. Please, PLEASE get a spell checker. More than, back then, etc etc.

I may be one contract off on the scope however if that is correct it reinforces my point even more. Hard to sell scope back then when you did not have it.

Jay5150

02-16-2014 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1582690)

Nope, we were hiring 100 a month in early 2000. We had announced a halt in hiring just prior to 9/11 as the economy was starting to soften. Furloughs didn't start until early 2012, if I recall. There were contractual limitations, maybe some of the victims of "Force Manure" can enlighten us. I just flew with a 2001 hire yesterday.

First 400 went out Nov 1, 2001.

sailingfun

02-16-2014 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1582695)

I think you are correct. I am not at home to reference the contracts.

dalad

02-16-2014 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay5150 (Post 1582711)

First 400 went out Nov 1, 2011.

Thanks, Jay, I wasn't sure when they started. There was a couple of Trump Shuttle/USAir captains in my crash pad as well who ended up being furloughed as well. That was a real eye opener. It's what spurred me to start looking at a plan B.

sailingfun

02-16-2014 05:00 AM

[QUOTE=sailingfun;1582712]I think you are correct. I am not at home to reference the contracts. 96 however just reinforces what I am saying.

forgot to bid

02-16-2014 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1582700)

Structurally, the furloughs were the direct result of the 98 removal of alter ego protections, the 99-00 denial of mergers, which worked in concert with a 500 jet order to establish multiple airlines within Delta which management could transfer work around to.

That's what I was getting to, if the furloughs were from 2000-2001 DOHs then they didn't even get to vote on a contract prior to their furlough.

Jay5150

02-16-2014 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1582714)

Yeah, I bet most pre-911 hires here can remember when they started really looking into plan B. My very concerted efforts started with the USAir attempted takeover.

Jughead

02-16-2014 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1582701)

He is not quite correct. They were configured with 69 seats. I believe there was one with 88 seats as a spare. The company stated they would only use 69 seats. A grievance was filed and the jets all went away before it was settled.

Okay. Just took a trip to the basement and found my 146 stuff from 1995. It was there, under a 300 lb. black Acer desktop which I'm saving for the future.
We had six leased 88 passenger jets. Never were these aircraft configured with 69 seats.
Service was to AVL, MCN, MYR, PAN, CSG, and TRI. At .63 Mach.

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