A gaggle.........

 

It's a Perfect Plethora of Publically Pompous Postulators.

 

win^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

+1000 Spot on

 

From cannonball run: you are certainly the most distinguished group of airline scofflaws and degenerates ever gathered together in one place

 

Non-revving on Air France isn't any easier than any other eZED carrier, which is already pretty dang easy compared to the bad old days of buying paper ZEDs and calling to list yourself. Use the myidtravel link on travelnet to search for & price out potential flights. Because eZED is so easy, I typically hold off on buying the eZED until I know I'll be using it, as long as I know I'll have internet access. Air France is actually a little cheaper than most ZED carriers, there is a special "JV Fare" for DL employees that is a bit lower than the ZED-Low scale. In Europe this doesn't really make much of a dent in the overall price because the fare is usually only 25-40% of total price, the departure and airport taxes are really high - *especially* where LHR is involved. I avoid that airport when possible for that reason (ie nearly $200 in taxes alone LHR-MSP).

If you do go to London, do note that Delta does *not* have a ZED agreement with British Airways. It was cancelled a few years back due to some spat and has not been reinstated.

If you're a DL pilot, it's my understanding that you can use the JS internationally on DL metal, but check your FOM, I'm not on property over there yet & don't know specifics. On any other US carrier, you won't be able to sit in an actual jumpseat to/from the US, but they'll all take you on jumpseat authority. In Europe you basically go to their ticket desk, present your badge, request a jumpseat while making clear you know you can't sit in an actual cockpit jumpseat, and ask to speak to a supervisor if the agent isn't quite getting it. They'll have you pay departure taxes.

The European carriers don't really have a jumpseating system as we know it - ie no reciprocal agreements. You will need a ticket or ZED pass to travel on them. However, if they are full, and the crew knows that you are airline crew, it is often Captain's Discretion to put a nonrev on a jumpseat. I've had this happen on KLM and friends have experienced it at AF and Alitalia. Keep in mind that both the US and Great Britain don't allow international offline jumpseaters in their airspace, so if the flight crosses GB airspace the cockpit js will be off-limits.

I've often checked orbitz/expedia the day before. Invariably, the only time it's even remotely cheap is when the flights are wide open & we'll have no trouble non-revving anyways. I will mention that my wife and I have had excellent luck nonrevving on European carriers. Due to punitive EU regulations concerning denied boardings they don't overbook nearly as much as the US carriers, and seldom have many nonrevs. We've gotten on every single flight we've ever tried on European carriers...I'd guess 20-25 segments within Europe, Europe-US, and Europe-Africa. Often if we're headed somewhere within Europe we don't even bother getting there on DL via ATL or JFK, we just take DL to AMS and then non-rev on KLM. They're super nice to non-revs.

 

Is there a sleeping room in the ATL E concourse pilot lounge?

 

There are commuter rooms on the south wall with cypher locks on them.

 

Tailwinds good friends.....

 

Can the company really force us to physically touch somebody?