I'm not claiming I know much about 117, but I just read 117.25 (e) and (f), which seems to be the pertinent text, and I'm just saying that we have a duty to not to fly if we (the pilot) determine that the 8-hour sleep opportunity was interrupted. We also have the right to 10 hours free of duty. If you determine that your sleep was interrupted, then I think you should call and get an additional 8 hours sleep opportunity.

No one but you knows whether your opportunity was interrupted, and it's no based on the number of calls. Construction at the hotel might interrupt it, and you might sleep through a phone call, or turn it off and miss the subsequent interruptions. The reason I'm pointing this out, is that you shouldn't link the number of calls with an automatic interruption. In some cases, one is too many. I don't want people to think that the company is allowed to wake them up just once, but two calls is illegal. The regulations don't state that.

I don't know where the one-call "rule" comes from. It's on the 117 FAQ's on deltanet, but so is the nonsense about reserves having to acknowledge earlier than the contract.

I believe the one phone call rule came from the FAA after ALPA and the ATA requested clarification on that section.

04-04-2014 | 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Just got my sixth.

Damm, FTB beat me to it!

"Carmen stop robo-calling the Pilots."

"I'm sorry Steve, I'm afraid I can't do that."

Scoop

04-04-2014 | 07:37 PM

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For all needing 8 solid hours of sleep just pop an Ambien and you're good to go. Wait, can't do that unless you have 24 hours before you fly?

Out of curiosity, does anyone get 8 hours of sleep before a 04:30 van? I know I can't.

04-04-2014 | 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential

It will be interesting to see what flight ops does about this. Anybody who acknowledged one of those calls electronically and then turns a wheel in less than 10 hours from that time is subject to getting their ticket pulled by the FAA.
How is Delta going to get around that?

Have no fear, I'm sure that by 2am there will be another round (or 7) of Robo Calls with Steve Dickson telling you it's ok to ignore those earlier Robo Calls...

04-05-2014 | 01:48 AM

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Numerous robocalls because of a delayed PBS bid package, but if your departure tomorrow is delayed? Crickets.

04-05-2014 | 03:14 AM

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Numerous robocalls because of a delayed PBS bid package, but if your departure tomorrow is delayed? Crickets.

Sssh!! It never happened!

04-05-2014 | 03:20 AM

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Crap! I couldn't sleep, because I felt obligated to robo-post on this ridiculous topic...

How ironic.

04-05-2014 | 03:29 AM

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Have no fear, I'm sure that by 2am there will be another round (or 7) of Robo Calls with Steve Dickson telling you it's ok to ignore those earlier Robo Calls...

I just spoke to the Duty Pilot, and they found a work-around. They're putting together a new message, with SD and the gang singing a lullaby, which they'll robo-call right to your hotel room, so that you may disregard the other robo-calls.

As an alternative, you 'll be able to download Samuel L. Jackson's reading of "Go the ******* to Sleep" off the deltanet. Long-term, expect to find in your v-file a collection of children's classic books, to save on the cost of robo-calls.

They wanted to use the CQ CD to put us down, but they're worried we'd miss our wake-up call.

Never happened.

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