Denny Crane

If I have to drop the whole trip using pb days, this is what I will do.

Denny

Denny Crane

Alan,

If I can do what I described above, I've got enough payback days to drop 2 months and get 84+ hours by dropping trips. Then I could either take the summer off or green slip for 2 months straight. Otherwise, I can at least do it for one month.

Denny

Denny Crane

Been working a little more than usual, but it's paying (and hopefully will pay) off big time. The advantage of living in base!

How you doin'?

Denny

newKnow

Pretty good. Same deal with more work than usual. Back on reserve next month. But, with a long carry in trip and training, it shouldn't be too bad.

I'm ready to hit the road, so I can escape all the pollen in Atlanta. That stuff kills me!

Razor

newK, I wasn't calling anyone a sellout. Especially not Ferd! I do think there is a real risk that since the company is getting what they want, we could see an end to long call. From SD's memo;

"As a result, under FAR 117 and the current PWA there may be instances where a long call reserve has as little as two hours from first attempted contact to acknowledge an assigned rotation or conversion to short call. We hope these instances are rare and proactive measures by Crew Scheduling should reduce – but inevitably will not eliminate – the chance of such occurrences."

I want more than a "hope these instances are rare". If they can happen at all then that means you have to always be ready to acknowledge within two hours. You don't know when that "rare instance" might happen do you? I'd be willing to bet that over time they would become more and more common.

I've got a long time left at Delta and I don't want to be tied to a two hour lease when on reserve. I do wish DALPA was being tougher on this. I need to call my rep for an update.

Alan Shore

I would argue that FAR 117 has made certain aspects of our reserve system unworkable, and that the parties are therefore bound to work together to reach a consensual agreement on how to modify those aspects in a way that both sides can work with.

Alan Shore

Fair enough. But rather than waiting until then to find out the hard way, why not call Crew Scheduling, ask to speak to a supervisor, and find out from the horse's mouth how the system is programmed? Or call the ALPA scheduling office and ask them.

FYWIW, this is the way it worked for me the last time I had PB days to burn.

scambo1

Denny,
In all fairness, I've never done it, I was parroting what I thought the professor told me. I have seen him drop and pick up the same trip on the same day.

I defer to Alan's superior contract prowess, but do not think how he explained it is how the professor explained it as far as the limitation goes.

Denny Crane

Okay fellas, I am in the process of emailing the Dalpa scheduling committee. It may take a couple days to find out, I'll let you know.

Denny

Edit: Email message sent to Dalpa.

sinca3

Next month I have two 4 day trips back to back, I reckon its legal but can't find it anywhere in all our 117 literature.
My question is what is the max flight time in a 7 day period, or is that totally out the window now with 117. The only thing I can find are flight time limitations per day based on augmented or not and what time you started.
The way the trips are now I am blocked for 22:41 on the first 4 day then 10:47 for the first 2 days of the next 4 day, therefore 33:28 in a 6 day period.
Legit?
Thx