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The issue is not what you "can" do, it's what are you "required" to do. The vast majority of the contract tells us what we HAVE to do. You are generally free to do more, and you (generally) will never get disciplined for going "above and beyond." There are exceptions however.

For example, your max contractual crew duty day may be less than what the FAR 117 allows for. If you volunteer to exceed your contractual max duty day, you are free to do so but I wouldn't call this "following the letter of the contract." I would just call that stupid. A pilot would, however, find themselves in trouble if they intentionally exceeded FAR 117 duty limits. That is an example where "doing more" than is contractually required will get you in trouble.

So it is possible for you to "do more" and still get in trouble, but generally you only get in trouble if you perform LESS than what the contractual minimum required performance is.

Flamer

It appears you are not keeping up. He was on reserve. He followed the contract. The company gave him the PD. He lost pay for that month.

No problem so far.

He did not like losing pay, and feels as though ALPA will not get him his back pay which is contractually due. He altered his behavior to follow a non-contractual memo which has the potential to create a loss of QOL.

You must now see that if everyone did this, then our contract is not work the paper it is written on. It also provides zero leverage to the pilot group and promotes the company to behave like this in the future.

Not mad at all.....just saying you should not worry about getting your pay back later, but follow the contract now. If I were to be mad at anyone, it would be the union leaders for not providing bold, unequivable guidance on this.

Purple Drank

I agree. As someone mentioned earlier, ALPA should have thought of it when SD released his contract-altering memo. The MEC has been utterly passive defending us.

"Our" "union" had no problem wasting tens of thousands of our dues dollars in fpl to fight the dpa to please Moak and the fat cats at national.

But when they have a chance to assist the line pilot on something this crucial, and garner leverage too...crickets. Just ambiguous, squishy suggestions instead of strong, decisive leadership.

MD writes a good letter. And that's about it, so far.

The Cavalier

I think proceeding cautiously is prudent. I agree that we need to stand up for the contract and should get something in return (say a 16 hour fallout?) but I'm not willing to see LC become a thing of the past because we towed the line on a 3 hour acknowledgement rule that many don't even use.

Dorfman

80,

Go ahead and swap for the 1 day trip only, icrew only looks at the coverage for this month so if you pick up a one day trip in essence you are dropping the three day for a one day. Then simply go into PCS for May and WS the 2 day.

Remember though that WS are run before the swap with the pot so it will take to PCS runs to do this.

crewdawg52

Me thinks 80 is on resv next month (2 May), so he's unable to WS or pick up that 2 dayer.

newKnow

If APLA offered to pay for the dropped trips, three things would happen:

1.) The reserve system would shut down.

2.) ALPA would go broke.

3.) Delta would take ALPA to court (and win).

gloopy

Pfffft whatever.

What.

Ever.

I have zero tolerance for that Bolshevik Occupy Red Square crap. Zero.

Every airline under the sun, DL especially, gives massive preference to other employee groups (current or former) who want to become pilots. As in pretty much on par with being a Check Airman for the Blue Angles Space Shuttle formation re-entry team.

While I think out on the line we need to remain the "quiet professionals" WRT issues like this, in the negotiating room whenever that ignorant manifesto crap is trotted out it needs to be smacked down hard, with righteous moral authority. No other group as a whole even comes remotely close to carrying the risks, having the skills or doing the job we do nor have they done what it takes to get here as a "new hire" like we have.

But as long as they were so enlightend to bring it up, which employee groups are back to pre-BK pay and which ones are not? That's what I thought. Besides its only 2 more weeks of school, just add it to your next recurrent and you'll be good to go.

Chosen ones? Seriously? We're working more than ever for historically less pay relative to any other work group and the costs/barrier to entry to even get here as a "new hire" to be junior to every entry level position for the rest of our careers are incredibly steep and expensive. I would hope that anyone on the NC or in any other role would piledrive that drivel into the mat, drop the mic into the lap of whoever vomited it up in the first place and walk out of the room for the rest of the day.

I would hope that the next time that nonsensical class warfare pinko propaganda is used on us we let it be known that point of view is wrong and entirely irrelevant.

Gack727

This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

scambo1

No way man, I've got dibs on Gloopy being my hero.