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Old 04-21-2014 | 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
The "past practice" does not show pilots waiting until right before the minimum to acknowledge. An attempt by an RLA regulated labor union to disrupt the flow of commerce will not be met kindly by the federal courts.
Originally Posted by Sink r8
I'm not sure your conjecture weighs any more than shiznit's conjecture, however.
It appears you misunderstood my conjecture statement. I asked for data to support shiznit's claim as to when pilots acknowledge trip assignments. He doesn't have it. My example about the 12 hour leash and the opportunities for rest, turning off the phone, etc... that it affords, fly directly in the face of shiznit's claim.

Here's a snippet from the Scheduling Reference Handbook:

Long Call

A long-call pilot has a “12-hour leash,” as follows. Crew Scheduling will attempt to notify a long-call pilot of a rotation, short-call period, or rest period, and place the assignment on his schedule in iCrew. A long-call pilot has no obligation to check his schedule while on call, but:

• must acknowledge any assigned rotation no later than three hours prior to the scheduled report of the rotation,
• must acknowledge any assigned short-call period no later than one hour prior to the scheduled start of the short-call period, and
• must acknowledge any assigned rest period no later than six hours after the start of the rest period.

This effectively means a long-call pilot could turn off his phone for as long as nine hours, provided he then checks his messages and/or schedule in order to comply with the above requirements for acknowledgement.


Originally Posted by Sink r8
On the flip side, could the company prevail in saying our right to acknowledge 3 hours prior is now voided by 117? I don't know, and neither do you.
If you'll reread my posts, I've never stated that I know what would happen in court. The reality is anything can happen. It's only the go-along-to-get-along crowd that has been making the bold assertion that an injunction is a foregone conclusion.
Old 04-21-2014 | 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
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When you see G#2 starting to go out late in the moth yet folks who have already got Greenslips, senior in category, start putting in WHITE slips with 0 reserve coverage. I mean, they must like flying for half pay.

No wonder we don't need many pilots.
Saw one the other day with a 4:30am coverage for a 6:00am departure………..WS……
Old 04-21-2014 | 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by INAV8OR
Sorry for the thread creep, but this is the best place to get answers for my stupid questions. I heard a rumor that you can back out of an AE and stay in your existing equipment. Back on the March 18th AE, I inadvertently bid for something that I got. Although, not too bad of a mistake I am having second thoughts about making this move. Does anyone know if there is truth to the rumor about a one-time opps, then being frozen in your current equipment? Thanks
The answer is depends.

PWA Section 11-J

If you are former NWA you may withdraw from 777,767-400,737,&MD88 if it's your 1st time on PMDL equipment.

If you are former DL you may with draw from 747,A330,A320 (with the same caveat,

If you withdraw before training there is no freeze.
If you withdraw during training you go back to your old equipment but are frozen for the duration of your bid freeze.

If the above doesn't apply to you, then you can get out of an AE only through the needs of the company and given how short most categories are I can't imagine that would be granted.
Old 04-21-2014 | 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by boog123
Saw one the other day with a 4:30am coverage for a 6:00am departure………..WS……
The ONLY reason for whiteslipping under 117 is to make a GS green.

Or maybe people have a terrible home life and want to stay on the road?
Old 04-21-2014 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingSig
The answer is depends.

PWA Section 11-J

If you are former NWA you may withdraw from 777,767-400,737,&MD88 if it's your 1st time on PMDL equipment.

If you are former DL you may with draw from 747,A330,A320 (with the same caveat,

If you withdraw before training there is no freeze.
If you withdraw during training you go back to your old equipment but are frozen for the duration of your bid freeze.

If the above doesn't apply to you, then you can get out of an AE only through the needs of the company and given how short most categories are I can't imagine that would be granted.
To tag onto that, in one of the regional newsletters recently, the CPO's first headline was if you bid it then get it, it's yours. Bid what you want, want what you bid. I know guys that have gotten out of bids in the past (me included) but in today's environment I'd expect the answer to be NO, it's yours.
Old 04-21-2014 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
As pilots we are are own worst enemies......
I would venture to guess they are filling up to the G/S trigger.
Old 04-21-2014 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by dalad
I would venture to guess they are filling up to the G/S trigger.
yeah the end of the month is approaching and theyre getting nervous. on my category things look good for GSing this weekend but i wouldnt be surprised if WSs ate it up.
Old 04-21-2014 | 07:00 AM
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Great article on a Cathay Pacific 330 that had a double flameout over the South China Sea a few years ago... reminds me of the sweater in the fuel tank story back in the day...

Pilots reveal death-defying ordeal as engines failed on approach to Chek Lap Kok | South China Morning Post
Old 04-21-2014 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
The ONLY reason for whiteslipping under 117 is to make a GS green.

Or maybe people have a terrible home life and want to stay on the road?
There is a "home life" guy at my base, but he "makes too much money" to get divorced, because he's always flying. Think he has 5 days off this month, yuk.

Best check I write each month is too my Ex.
Old 04-21-2014 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 12W20
I waited until I woke up (this as in March). 5 hours prior to report, the trip was taken off my line and I was given a PD. Since then I have acknowledged. I can't afford to have my pay taken via PDs every time!
Congratulations, you are now SD's B****. If everyone did what you did, there would be no problem and we could just write our contract in pencil and hand the company an eraser.
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