Sink r8

I'm not sure your conjecture weighs any more than shiznit's conjecture, however.

I believe that checking your schedule on the last X-day is also part of the contract, and WSC, yet I think we all agree that 117 nullifies any requirement to check our schedule when we're off. I'm totally guessing here, but I think we'd be able to make that case very easily.

On the flip side, could the company prevail in saying our right to acknowledge 3 hours prior is now voided by 117? I don't know, and neither do you.

I'd rather we approach this along the lines of Gloppy's post, and talk about what we need to accomplish WRT Reserves.

Bucking Bar

Took a selfie this morning



When you see G#2 starting to go out late in the moth yet folks who have already got Greenslips, senior in category, start putting in WHITE slips with 0 reserve coverage. I mean, they must like flying for half pay.

No wonder we don't need many pilots.

NWA320pilot

As pilots we are are own worst enemies......

INAV8OR

Sorry for the thread creep, but this is the best place to get answers for my stupid questions. I heard a rumor that you can back out of an AE and stay in your existing equipment. Back on the March 18th AE, I inadvertently bid for something that I got. Although, not too bad of a mistake I am having second thoughts about making this move. Does anyone know if there is truth to the rumor about a one-time opps, then being frozen in your current equipment? Thanks

index

It appears you misunderstood my conjecture statement. I asked for data to support shiznit's claim as to when pilots acknowledge trip assignments. He doesn't have it. My example about the 12 hour leash and the opportunities for rest, turning off the phone, etc... that it affords, fly directly in the face of shiznit's claim.

Here's a snippet from the Scheduling Reference Handbook:

Long Call

A long-call pilot has a “12-hour leash,” as follows. Crew Scheduling will attempt to notify a long-call pilot of a rotation, short-call period, or rest period, and place the assignment on his schedule in iCrew. A long-call pilot has no obligation to check his schedule while on call, but:

• must acknowledge any assigned rotation no later than three hours prior to the scheduled report of the rotation,
• must acknowledge any assigned short-call period no later than one hour prior to the scheduled start of the short-call period, and
• must acknowledge any assigned rest period no later than six hours after the start of the rest period.

This effectively means a long-call pilot could turn off his phone for as long as nine hours, provided he then checks his messages and/or schedule in order to comply with the above requirements for acknowledgement.


If you'll reread my posts, I've never stated that I know what would happen in court. The reality is anything can happen. It's only the go-along-to-get-along crowd that has been making the bold assertion that an injunction is a foregone conclusion.

boog123

Saw one the other day with a 4:30am coverage for a 6:00am departure………..WS……

FlyingSig

The answer is depends.

PWA Section 11-J

If you are former NWA you may withdraw from 777,767-400,737,&MD88 if it's your 1st time on PMDL equipment.

If you are former DL you may with draw from 747,A330,A320 (with the same caveat,

If you withdraw before training there is no freeze.
If you withdraw during training you go back to your old equipment but are frozen for the duration of your bid freeze.

If the above doesn't apply to you, then you can get out of an AE only through the needs of the company and given how short most categories are I can't imagine that would be granted.

scambo1

The ONLY reason for whiteslipping under 117 is to make a GS green.

Or maybe people have a terrible home life and want to stay on the road?

scambo1

To tag onto that, in one of the regional newsletters recently, the CPO's first headline was if you bid it then get it, it's yours. Bid what you want, want what you bid. I know guys that have gotten out of bids in the past (me included) but in today's environment I'd expect the answer to be NO, it's yours.

dalad

I would venture to guess they are filling up to the G/S trigger.